Correlation between Anti-Gun v Anti Death Penalty Views

Consider the number of times you have people say that they own guns but are not responsible gun owners ... because people that don't know they are irresponsible are unable to determine that they are not responsible.How many drunks think they are safe drivers?It's always someone else eh?Enjoy.

When a society openly promotes killing others as an acceptable means of solving problems, there should be no one surprised to find ordinary people occasionally killing others to solve their problems.Violence really does beget violence. On top of this, executions receive little public attention so that citizens are ever aware of, and even comforted by, the death brought by their society's laws without ever having to face the horror of the thing itself.State-sanctioned killing is not the cause of murder, but it makes it an acceptable choice to some of those whose minds have already gone there. As a detterant it fails.Jon

That and there's only like 40 - 50 executions each year so its not even really a prevalent thing.

And, I will note, the overwheming number of those are in Texas.

Well, we gotta be #1 in something!

From a criminal's point of view:
You want to make more laws to take guns away from those that actually care about laws, thus I am stronger.
I can take a life without having to give mine in return. Meanwhile, I will have food, shelter, education, drugs and other criminals to learn from until I get out.How many criminals are second offenders? How many commit numerous other crimes against their fellow man? You would protect their lives, while they terrorize others?For those with the "sanctity of life" argument, are you also Pro- Life?

I think a more pertinent question would be: How many murderers are second offenders? A guy who commits forty burglaries isn't really relevant to this discussion. Yup. Also pro-choice (pro-minding-my-own-business).

Thus, removing a criminal with 40 crimes under his/her belt would better society 40 fold. You obviously have no idea how to deal with a threat. I don't care if that is how you choose to deal with someone threatening you. In fact, I would hope the criminals seek out people like you. It is a win-win. The criminal gets away without being harmed, and you don't have to worry about their welfare As for abortion, funny how you consider killing humans non of your business. I assume you support Planned Parenthood and support tax payers funding them.

Your open indiference leaves no evidence lacking for my position.

Do you have a passport?

Just how many crimes are intending to punish with the death penalty? Armed robbery? burglary?The death penalty is an alternative to punishing people who, for the most part, are never getting out of jail, ever. There is absolutely no evidence that either penalty has an advantage over the other for deterring crime. When does life begin? Might we not reach different answers about this important question if we had different answers to that question? Have you ever used a condom? Do you have a family of ten kids?I don't see how anyone who has considered these issues would ask the questions you do. The answers I, and others are giving you are the easy answers anyone could anticipate if they exerted the smallest effort. Typical.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

I'd like to see you support this proposition because it seems contrary to my experience. Executions in NC are fairly rare, and because of that infrequency, they seem to draw enormous national attention. On top of that, the victims families, who are among those who would be comforted the most, are front and center at executions if that is their choice. By what measure is the publicity too little or insufficient?I note in passing that CS made this point before I did. Yes, I agree that the death penalty fails as a deterrent, but do you really believe people are motivated to kill more because there is capital punishment? Or are you saying something else? What support is there for this proposition?

It makes sense to me that people who would carry a lethal weapon for self defence would also support the death penalty. What doesn't make sense is believing that we all require forgiveness and salvation while at the same time supporting the death penalty. How much cognitive dissonance lubricant do you need to be a pro death penalty Christian?

Your math doesn't make any sense. But in any case, I said I was against removing criminals from society by killing them. I'm not necessarily against removing them to prisons. And to expand the logic, I'm not against removing the license to drive, permanently, if that will make the roads safer. Is killing people the only way you can think of to remove a threat? I said I was pro-life. I'm against forcing other people to be pro-life.

If we showed the execution itself, I think public opinion would change rather quickly. Some "bad man" is dying, but behind a closed door; we can feel good about the "justice" we've delivered without ever needing to confront the true horror of what we've done. I'm saying capital punishment fosters a "wild west" mentality where people out for blood can feel justified in going after it.Jon