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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
I agree with what you said.
But I'm not sure if what I said was wrong, though... or even if it conflicts with what you said? I agree that what I said was not "the whole picture," though, if that's your point. I was just trying to give a back-of-the-napkin feeling for "Newtons" for most people to try and understand them.It's not my fault that most football player's hits are not constant...
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It is enough to provide 2 oz of thrust or force given the test parameters. If applied to an object in space it could move very large objects. Maybe this will help. Two oz of thrust will accelerate a 2oz object the same way a 2oz object is accelerated when if falls off of your desk. Heavier objects will be accelerated proportionately less. As your description implies, it does not take any amount of force to move an object in space. Any net force on an object, however tiny, will accelerate an object, and the object will continue to move until another force acts on it.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Jon was asking about applications here on the ground... Being on the ground does not matter. The question of how much force it takes to move an object is nonsensical unless you talk about all of the forces on an object. Two ounces of thrust can move a 2 oz object upward in earth's gravitational field, but that same 2 oz thrust can also move accelerate a locomotive across a friction free surface.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Jon was asking about applications here on the ground...
Being on the ground does not matter. Uh, gravity and friction would certainly play a role in how much stuff you could move with 2 ounces of force.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Uh, gravity and friction would certainly play a role in how much stuff you could move with 2 ounces of force. Did you read just half of my comment before responding? Did I not address everything you mentioned? How much weight do you think you can move with 2 oz of thrust CS assuming we conduct the experiment at ground level? Is there any universal answer?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Did you read just half of my comment before responding? Did I not address everything you mentioned? I read it all. The stuff you said after what we were talking about, i.e. "being on the ground", had nothing to do with it.
How much weight do you think you can move with 2 oz of thrust CS assuming we conduct the experiment at ground level? Not much. I doubt you could move my dick with it
Is there any universal answer? Pretty much, for the one for down here on the ground... where gravity and friction would certainly play a role... That's what I meant. That's what was being talked about.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 375 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
I wonder how much juice it took to get the 50 mN of thrust. Wiki says
quote: Could you generate enough electricity to overcome the force of a solar wind and fly directly at the sun?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Pretty much, for the one for down here on the ground... where gravity and friction would certainly play a role... That's what I meant. That's what was being talked about. I note that you did not specify this "universal answer" despite your claim that there is one. Well, your answer is wrong. There is no limit to the amount of weight that two oz of thrust can move here on earth. F= ma applies everywhere. The link below is to an experiment for measuring the gravitational constant by measuring the motion of a pair of 38 gram masses being attracted gravitationally by a pair of 1.5kg mass. A measurable motion of the 38 gram masses was obtained despite the fact that the forces involved are on the order of 7 * 10-10 N. I'll note that the experiment was conducted on earth and not in outer space. http://www.phys.utk.edu/...asco%20Cavendish%20Experiment.pdf Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The link below is to an experiment for measuring the gravitational constant by measuring the motion of a pair of 38 gram masses being attracted gravitationally by a pair of 1.5kg mass. I remember hearing about that experiment in a physics class in college.
There is no limit to the amount of weight that two oz of thrust can move here on earth. F= ma applies everywhere. That's not what is being talked about, this is:
quote:quote:quote: They're talking about using an EmDrive for some kind of ground vehicle, like a car or something. There's just not enough thrust there for that.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
CS posits:
They're talking about using an EmDrive for some kind of ground vehicle, like a car or something. But isn't the OP link titled
Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive ??- xongsmith, 5.7d
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Yes, and then another member asked if it had applications on the ground.
It does not, currently.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
So it's enough to move 2 oz. worth of material? See that question at the very end of the material you quoted? What is the answer to that question?
They're talking about using an EmDrive for some kind of ground vehicle, like a car or something. Apparently, that's what you decided the issue was. The answer to the question Jon actually asked was given correctly by Nosy Ned. And as for the question of whether having a very small thrust generator without an impulse mass can have applications on the ground, if the only issue that comes to minds is whether you can drive a car with 2 oz of thrust, you are not being very imaginative.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Apparently, that's what you decided the issue was. The answer to the question Jon actually asked was given correctly by Nosy Ned. Is the question you ask just literally the words that you type, or is the question you ask the one that you mean?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Is the question you ask just literally the words that you type, or is the question you ask the one that you mean? Jon's question was whether he should interpret the 2 oz of thrust to mean that only 2 oz of material can be moved. What's the correct answer to that question? Then you interpret that to mean that Jon is only asking about applications for ground vehicles? Where do you get that?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Could you generate enough electricity to overcome the force of a solar wind and fly directly at the sun? I suppose that the easy answer is that you could fly into the sun if you were far enough away. Sail power falls off with distance from the sun, but the thruster would not. And of course there may be an opportunity to scale up the force generated assuming that it is real.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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