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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Oh my goodness, I feel like an ass.
Here I am going on and on about trifling minutia (1,400 children systematically gang-raped and then disregarded by the british authorities and british support of war criminals who murder nearly a million civilians) and then find you had a terrible accident in your automobile . . . the topcoat of the finish was marred. Gasp. Tangle, I hope aren't suffering from lingering trauma or latent physical injuries. Gosh, this is a million times worse than what those darn-awful, terrorist-children in Gaza are experiencing. Ahem, . . . You and Straggler have clearly demonstrated that the media (part of the establishment), INCLUDING the "publicly funded service provider" BBC, contributes to british ignorance and public apathy. Here's more evidence . . .
quote: ". . . supporters of government, big business, the free market and western foreign policy." In other words, "the establishment!"
quote: quote: Lastly, from the Cardiff University, a major content analysis of BBC coverage . . .
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I feel like an ass. Yeah, if you can't post pictures of dead children then you might as well post about sexually abusing them!
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
CS writes: Yeah, if you can't post pictures of dead children then you might as well post about sexually abusing them! Perhaps, but IMO, reporting the information surely isn't as bad as actually supporting the mass murder of children. Although I'd guess someone like you would disagree.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
dronester writes: Oh my goodness, I feel like an ass. Remarkable, you can do irony - albeit a tad heavily - but you can't recognise it.....and then this!
The BBC’s Rightwing Bias Just absolutely bloody hilarious.The google search phrase "BBC left wing bias" returns "About 296,000 results"Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Tang writes: Remarkable, you can do irony - albeit a tad heavily You just had to include that last part "albeit a tad heavily", didn't you? When I give compliments, there are no lagging back-handedness . . .
Tang writes: but you can't recognise it Oh I recognized your irony all right - albeit it was a tad flimsy and undirectional.
Tang writes: The google search phrase "BBC left wing bias" returns "About 296,000 results" Sorry, I am not the Amazing Kreskin, what is this specifically referencing/counter-arguing? Can you expand on your, umm, "fully fleshed out argument"? It might be helpful for you if you read the entire links I provided. The articles are not that long.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Applying the most hyperbolic spin you can come up with to tar those you hate with the most evil aspirations you can imagine, is not what is referred to as "reporting the information".
Its called lying.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
CS writes: Applying the most hyperbolic spin you can come up with to tar those you hate with the most evil aspirations you can imagine, is not what is referred to as "reporting the information". Its called lying. And Tangle said I couldn't recognise irony. Good job CS!
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Its called lying. Actually I think what dronestar does is more aptly termed "boring".Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Sure, I'll accept that his lies are boring...
But... but... Tony Blair is a MASS MURDERER!!!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
For god's sake.....the point is that the BBC is routinely accused of being both left wing biased and right wing biased by whoever is of the opposite view. Cherry picking quotes from either is both tedious, pointless and dishonest.
You might also consider that the BBC did not cause anybody to be abused in Rotherham anymore than they caused me to stub my toe on the coffee table. Engage brain before replying.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Tang writes: Engage brain before replying. *Chuckle* And you said I couldn't recognize irony!
Tang writes: . . . the point is that the BBC is routinely accused of being both left wing biased and right wing biased by whoever is of the opposite view. Well that was a rather poor attempt at marginalizing my argument. You really didn't try to understand, or didn't read any of my links. "Cherry-picked quotes," huh? Really, most of your posts were replies of irony. If this is the shallow depth of your attempt at understanding my argument, why did you even bother?
Tang writes: the BBC did not cause anybody to be abused in Rotherham Really, did I communicate that? Wow, talk about epic failure to comprehend. Brain engaged much? I was clearly referring to the authorities apathetic reactions to the abuse. Try actually reading the quotes I provided:
Drone writes: . . . at least 1,400 children, some as young as 11, were groomed for sexual exploitation while the authorities looked the other way. But the report also outlined how those victims and parents who did ask for help were mostly let down by the police and social services, for years there was an undeniable culture of institutional sexism. Her investigation heard that police referred to victims as tarts and to the girls’ abuse as a lifestyle choice. Media CAN and DOES influence. There have been studies that show Fox News viewers are less correctly informed than non-viewers. The Rotherham case was presented as ONE piece of evidence to show the type of apathetic society the media, including the BBC, has purposefully created . . . One measure of a society is how it takes care of their most vulnerable: woman, children, and minorities. The recent case in Rotherham shows the british authorities disregarding the children's (the victims!) screams for help. The police couldn't empathize less. If the brits were civilized they would tar and feather the entire Rotherham police department. Like they should tar and feather Tony Blair . . . The Brits elected Tony Blair, they supported him. They continue to support him.
quote: Tony Blair (and other immoral simpletons) illegally and immorally launched the Iraqi war based on "fixed the data." It was a war of aggression. A supreme international crime. There is no crime that is more evil. The criminal invasion caused nearly a million innocent deaths in Iraq. It also precipitated ALL the problems in Iraq today. Yes, ALL. Furthermore, it is causing MORE terrorism in the world today. For all this, the brits allow Blair to freely walk the streets of england. Mind-blowingly amazing! Someone, point me to the humanitarian BBC article that urges Blair be indicted for war crimes. Where is it?!
quote: Another measure of a society is how it embraces justice. For all. A free Tony Blair IS evidence that brits care very little about justice. Why? 1. Possibly, the brits are sociopathic twits whose centuries of oppressive british empire cause them to reflexively and euro-centrically look upon others as sub-human. Thus, they feel no guilt for the atrocities they cause today. (Ask an average american how he feels about the historical slaughter of the american indian). So whatever crimes the BBC's omissions of guilt and right-bias cause, they are not recognized, they are not perceived. Instead, at best they are marginalized, and are easily absorbed by a british society that has no moral compass. 2. Or possibly the brits are apathetic simpletons easily led by a purposefully misleading media. (It would explain Straggler's apathetic words "your little pet peeve.") In conclusion . . . No Tangle, I didn't 'cherry pick' mere quotes, you very well know that. There IS evidence that the BBC has a right-wing bias. In addition to showing the Tony Blair and Rotherham evidence, I presented evidence of the Right's hierarchy of the leadership at the BBC. Read the full article. I also presented evidence of a study from the Cardiff University. Read the full article. And I can easily go on showing more specific instances of BBC's right-wing bias. All these pieces of evidence lead up to this question: does Brit society favor the establishment, the 1%ers, the rich elite? or does the Brit society favor the community, the 99%ers? With evidence I showed above, I think it is the former. Even usually apathetic Straggler seems to agree:
STRAG writes: We seem to be experiencing a period where "the establishment" is serving too few at the expense of too many. So, if you agree with Strag and I that the 1%ers are winning, how in the world do you harmonize the conflicting BBC's supposed humanitarian left-wing or even centrist-bias influence on society? And if you just want to dismiss my arguments without engaging YOUR brain, save both our time and energy, do the usual carnival-barking that CS does: call me a liar and call it a day.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
You're randomly mixing up different arguments, pick one. Is it the BBC, Tony Blair, British civilisation, media power, Iraq, Rotherham, elitism. What? At the moment you're just another ranting nutter.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What's the weather like up there on your high horse?
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Is it the BBC, Tony Blair, British civilisation, media power, Iraq, Rotherham, elitism. What? Its everyone who isn't him. You see, he's the ideal here, ya know, the only one who can see things for what they really are. All the rest of us are a bunch of blinded apathetic simpletons because we cannot realize that Tony Blair is actually a mass murderer.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Tang writes: You're randomly mixing up different arguments, pick one. Is it the BBC, Tony Blair, British civilisation, media power, Iraq, Rotherham, elitism. What? Gosh, in hindsight, your confusion is understandable. If I had only summarized my ranting argument and placed it underneath a separated title named "In Conclusion . . ."
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