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Coyote
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Message 211 of 237 (770506)
10-06-2015 7:34 PM


Bacon!
From a Drudge item:

World's oldest woman, 116, eats bacon daily

http://www.usatoday.com/...-116-eats-bacon-everyday/73444660

Not many people will say that eating bacon every day is the key to a long life, but the worlds oldest woman swears by it.

Susannah Mushatt Jones, 116, keeps a steady diet of bacon, eggs and grits for breakfast. A sign in her kitchen reads: Bacon makes everything better.

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Message 212 of 237 (770518)
10-07-2015 8:28 AM
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10-06-2015 7:34 PM


Re: Bacon!
The oldest living male is Yasutaro Koide.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...est-living-man-393200

"The best thing is to not overdo," Yasutaro told Associated Press. He also recommended not smoking or drinking and said his favourite food is bread.
It sounds a bit boring to me. I'd rather enjoy my relatively short life (85 years hopefully) than suffer for 112 years...
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Message 213 of 237 (770519)
10-07-2015 8:37 AM
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10-06-2015 7:34 PM


Re: Bacon!
Oh and I love beacon. I eat it often. With the crispy fat, too!
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Message 214 of 237 (770521)
10-07-2015 8:45 AM
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10-07-2015 8:28 AM


Re: Bacon!
I'd rather enjoy my relatively short life (85 years hopefully) than suffer for 112 years...

That makes sense to someone whose 85th birthday is not coming next month.


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Message 215 of 237 (770522)
10-07-2015 9:11 AM
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10-07-2015 8:45 AM


Re: Bacon!
Yeah, but I knew a few people who had parties on their 85th birthdays. They had beer and wine and pork fat and cake....some even tried to blow out the candles on their cakes while we were singing that happy birthday song.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 216 of 237 (770526)
10-07-2015 9:58 AM
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10-07-2015 8:28 AM


Re: Bacon!
Sounds like Yasutaro Koide lives a non-boring life, though. Peaceful yet not boring.

quote:
His granddaughter, Aya Kikuchi, told local newspaper Chunichi Shimbun her grandfather once tended to be very strict about manners. "He was very stubborn, but he got nicer with age," she said. "His lifestyle is one that avoids stress."
That sums it up. Avoid stress. There is no universal diet that is right for everyone. For some, vegetables are better than protein and fats....for others such as myself, carbs need to be avoided and good fats be the main fuel.

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Message 217 of 237 (770530)
10-07-2015 11:51 AM
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Re: Bacon!
Phat writes:

That sums it up. Avoid stress.


And one of the major stressors in modern life is worrying about every molecule that you put in your mouth.
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Message 218 of 237 (770534)
10-07-2015 1:14 PM


Major Food Chemicals Study
Via Pharyngula:

Chemical-free products studied.

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We have examined and subjected to rudimentary analysis an exhaustive number of such products, including but not limited to lotions and cosmetics, herbal supplements, household cleaners, food items, and beverages. Herein are described all those consumer products, to our knowledge, that are appropriately labelled as Chemical free.

A comprehensive overview of chemical-free consumer products


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Message 219 of 237 (770690)
10-12-2015 8:51 PM
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10-07-2015 1:14 PM


New Food Guidelines
http://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2015/10/12

heh.


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Message 220 of 237 (772961)
11-21-2015 9:55 AM


Everyone Needs a Different Diet
It was already strongly suspected that different people respond differently to the same diet, but now scientific evidence is beginning to emerge. The Huffington Post reports There Really Is No 'One Size Fits All' Diet Plan, According To Study. Some excerpts:

quote:
What this means is that a healthy diet for one person may not be healthy for another person. Yet doctors all over the world tend to prescribe the same kinds of foods to people struggling with weight or health issues. Rather than recommend a cookie-cutter solution to weight problems, the researchers say, doctors could be more effective by recommending a personalized nutrition plan to a patient, based on the way that patient metabolizes certain foods.

"After seeing this data, I think about the possibility that maybe we're really conceptually wrong in our thinking about the obesity and diabetes epidemic, Segal said in a statement. "The intuition of people is that we know how to treat these conditions, and it's just that people are not listening and are eating out of control -- but maybe people are actually compliant but in many cases we were giving them wrong advice."
...
What they found was that the participants all responded very differently to foods, even after meals in which participants were eating the same exact provided foods. In the video above, the researchers explain that sushi actually caused one mans blood sugar to spike higher than ice cream did. For another participant who had struggled to lose weight on different diets all her life, the researchers found that eating a seemingly healthy food -- tomatoes -- spiked her blood sugar.


So there is no dietary advice that applies to everyone. One would think that some of the advice would apply to everyone, such as reduced intake of sugar, but probably even that should be questioned. Even if it were a tiny percentage that thrives on sugar, it still means the general advice to avoid sugar would be wrong.

We also need scientific research supporting the advice given by doctors and nutritionists. Today the advice to eat more vegetables and less meat is widely accepted as true and accurate, but even this very undetailed advice is unlikely to be true for everyone, and it just becomes more and more generally wrong as the advice becomes more specific. As the article tells us, a doctor who says, "Sure, tomatoes are fine" or "Sure, sushi is fine" is going to be dead wrong for at least some of his patients.

Unfortunately none of us are going to be at the center of scientific studies establishing our precise best diet. The reality is that we're all at the center of our own lifetime study of what's good for our health and what's not. Blood tests are a big help here. Try changing your diet significantly and see what happens to your blood tryglycerides, hemoglobin A1c, etc. For most people reducing carbohydrate intake, especially refined carbohydrates, will improve these measures considerably, but probably not for everyone. I'd gotten lazy about keeping my carbohydrate intake down over the past year, and my last blood test showed increased triglyceride levels and a worsened cholesterol/HDL ratio. Reducing carbohydrate intake is becoming standard advice these days and I'm back on track now, but this research tells us that everyone shouldn't just assume reducing their carbohydrate intake will work for them. Everyone has to figure out what works for them.

Link to study: Personalized Nutrition by Prediction of Glycemic Responses

--Percy


    
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Message 221 of 237 (773314)
11-29-2015 2:29 PM


Once again, the evidence increasingly ponts to carbohydrates as the problem
David S. Ludwig, the director of the Obesity Prevention Center at Boston Children's hospital, writes in today's New York Times:

quote:
The Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2015, scheduled for release by the Department of Agriculture in the next few weeks,...should jettison the traditional emphasis on low-fat diets, which we now know have no special benefit for body weight or general health, and focus more on the quality of the carbohydrates we are eating.

From Could Your Healthy Diet Make Me Fat?

--Percy


    
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Message 222 of 237 (775962)
01-07-2016 9:04 AM


2015 Dietary Guidelines Released
Hey, it's 2016 and the 2015 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are already available.

I'll pour through the whole thing later, but just looking at the Executive Summary, three nutrients are mentioned specifically, and it gets the recommendations for two out of three wrong . Under point 3 it recommends reducing intake of sugars, saturated fats and sodium, but evidence has been mounting for some time now that saturated fat is not harmful but is actually good for you, and more recent evidence shows that the body fights very hard to maintain what it believes are correct sodium levels and that reducing intake below a certain point can actually be harmful.

The advice to reduce sugars is correct, but somewhat alarmingly the Executive Summary doesn't mention carbohydrates. The webpage includes a search box, but it only returns six results for carbohydrates. It might be referring to sections since some of the search results include the term carbohydrates multiple times. Again, I'll read through the whole thing later and develop a better feel for its recommendations about carbohydrates.

Trans fats get only a brief single mention on this page (under point 1), even though the evidence that they are harmful is very strong.

Guess we'll have to wait for the 2020 recommendations to straighten things out.

--Percy


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Message 223 of 237 (776018)
01-07-2016 3:45 PM
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Re: 2015 Dietary Guidelines Released
, and more recent evidence shows that the body fights very hard to maintain what it believes are correct sodium levels and that reducing intake below a certain point can actually be harmful.

Can you point to some recent research that suggests that sodium intake levels below the 2300 mg level that are recommended is harmful? I don't doubt that there are problems with too low an intake.


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Message 224 of 237 (776064)
01-08-2016 8:18 AM
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01-07-2016 3:45 PM


Re: 2015 Dietary Guidelines Released
NoNukes writes:

Can you point to some recent research that suggests that sodium intake levels below the 2300 mg level that are recommended is harmful? I don't doubt that there are problems with too low an intake.

I should have been more clear. I was only commenting on the figure the link I provided takes you to, Figure ES-1 of the Executive Summary, which doesn't mention amounts. Sorry. If you weren't looking at that figure my comments probably didn't make much sense when they referred to specific points.

I think the new guidelines will share the same systemic problem as the old one, that the bulk of the population will only hear or retain the top-level message, in this case to reduce saturated fats, sugars and salt. I think a better top-level message would have been to reduce carbohydrates, avoid processed foods, minimize sugars, and eliminate trans fats.

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Message 225 of 237 (776107)
01-08-2016 5:56 PM
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01-07-2016 9:04 AM


Re: 2015 Dietary Guidelines Released
The advice to reduce sugars is correct, but somewhat alarmingly the Executive Summary doesn't mention carbohydrates. The webpage includes a search box, but it only returns six results for carbohydrates. It might be referring to sections since some of the search results include the term carbohydrates multiple times. Again, I'll read through the whole thing later and develop a better feel for its recommendations about carbohydrates.

Perhaps they aren't delineating complex carbohydrates which have tremendous health qualities. But if they aren't distinguishing between simple and complex, they really ought to, especially since they recommend that sugar intake be reduced and since simple carbohydrates essentially convert in to glucose.

These recommendations change all the time. First they said cut fat from your diet, now they say "no, only cut certain fats from your diet but load up on others."


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