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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
"Going on forever" as just a clod of dirt that is "part of a greater whole" of more dirt, is a pretty denigrated view of humanity and what's weird is that you don't seem to know it.quote:That isn't denigrating, it's uplifting. Trust you to argue that up is down. Faith writes:
While you're lying there being trod upon or whatever your fate may be as that clod, will you be contemplating your fate as a clod of dirt?quote:
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Pig Pen contains actual atoms from "Solomon or Nebuchadnezzar or Genghis Khan!"
Jesus, too. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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ramoss Member (Idle past 637 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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My mother, who just turned 88, and is likely to outlive us all, said she wants a 'green funeral'. No embalming, and basically put in the earth in a biodegradable
bag with an ummarked grave underneath a tree. There are some 'green funeral cemetries opening up where no grave marker, but they can bury you with a little rfid ball so people can locate your body if they want to with the proper equipment. She basically doesn't want the embalming fluids to pollute the environment. My father, who is deceased, when asked 'how should we handle your funeral' said 'Surprise me'
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My grandpa died earlier this year and he wanted to be cremated simply because it was cheaper than a burial.
Grandma died last year and she wanted to be buried because she was afraid of being burnt up. To each their own.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes:
ABE: I guess you think I'm discussing it from a theologicial point of view after saying I wasn't. I don't think so. Just mentioning one theological opinion isn't making a theological issue of the whole thing. As you correctly, but belatedly, noticed, you produced a theological argument but said you hadn't. That's normal for you, you forget what you've said as soon as you've said it then have to invent an explanation when it's pointed out to you.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
tangle, the point was that the thrust of my argument is not theological and that has never changed. Theological arguments enter into this so I commented on one of them but that is not the position from which I have been arguing. Sheesh.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Solomon and Jesus are myths.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Perhaps.
"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
silly stuff snipped.
I appreciate the detail. I think we can still say that bodies end up as worm food after we bury them and that pretending that they don't is not really a way of showing respect. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Like I said, it's a matter of psychological impressions, symbolism, not actuality. Treating the body respectfully by laying it in a box rather than burning it to ashes just seems more respectful, that's all. People need a sense that the dead are being treated well by US, by society, by the culture; what happens to it after that isn't the point. However, I also conceded that there's no necessary lack of respect in cremation, depends on how it's done and what people have in their minds about death.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
People need a sense that the dead are being treated well by US, by society, by the culture; what happens to it after that isn't the point.
Why do you feel you get to be the arbiter of what being "treated well" means. The best way to treat my body well is to return it back to nature where it belongs.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Since when is giving an opinion making oneself an "arbiter"? Just getting the opinion across is like pulling teeth around here but that's all it is, an opinion. I would hope it's persuasive, I've tried to make it persuasive, but if it isn't for you, so what? And how do YOU get to feel you are the arbiter of what being treated well means when you say it means to "return it back to nature where it belongs?" That's just an opinion too, one I've argued does NOT convey respect for human beings, but you pronounce it as dogma.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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That's just an opinion too, one I've argued does NOT convey respect for human beings, but you pronounce it as dogma. I have always thought that it is how you treat people while they are alive that conveys respect, not how you treat their body after they are dead.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tanypteryx writes:
Maybe retroactive guilt is the ultimate root of our funeral customs.
I have always thought that it is how you treat people while they are alive that conveys respect, not how you treat their body after they are dead.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sigh.
Please follow the argument. Why can't there be different ways of conveying respect? The subject of this thread is death, and I'm talking about how the whole culture may express respect or lack of respect for human beings by their attitude to death.
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