Is it time to consider compulsory vaccinations?

Getting vaccinated is fairly minimal. Avoiding being Mexican is not.

That'll never work. Peple won't extend to their society what they're willing to do for their family.Your system is pie in the sky, let's get back to reality. Ought-to's and should-be's don't change the fact that requiring people to get vaccinated in order to take a job is going to be seen as a stick and not a carrot.It doesn't matter how hard you think it is a carrot, what matters is how they view it.

There's the rub. The anit-vaccers don't think its minimal.We need to get them to realize that it actually is minimal.And you don't do that by threatening them unemployment - that's just another stick.The carrot has to lead them into realizing that vaccines are good and are not bad.

There is no right to be a threat to society.
Please explain what "right" is infringed by requiring vaccination.

Yes, so a foreigner has no right to work here. But a citizen does.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

The right to be left alone. The right not to have substances injected into your body without consent. The right to chose or refuse any medical treatment.

Can you show many anywhere where those rights are enumerated? All rights have limitations.I know of no country where there is a right to be left alone. Rights are given by society, none of these "rights" are inalienable.

Wrong. Many foreigners do have the right to work in the USA. That would be what is known as a "green card".

The line between rights and privileges is in the eye of the beholder.Yes foreigners can work here with a green card, but when we can distinguish the granting of a green card by the US from the issuing of a social security card to a US citizen. The latter is pretty much a mandatory grant upon request. We give toddlers an infants social security numbers. On the other hand, the grant of a green card might well be characterized as a grant of privilege with substantial amount of discretion available on the part of the US.

Not all rights are enumerated. In fact, the ninth Amendment explicitly states exactly the principle that there can be no exhaustive list of rights. On the other hand, under the constitution government powers are limited to those enumerated.And yes. All rights have limitations, and we can argue about whether a given policy acts on a limitation or is an infringement of a right. I'm not claiming that such a question is unsettled. I'd argue that there is at least one such country. Your own. Justice Brandeis recognized exactly the right to be left alone in Olmstead et al. v. United States. At the time, his opinion was mere dissent in a 5-4 ruling, but the holding in Olmstead has since been overruled and J. Brandeis' position has been vindicated and cited in numerous cases.From Olmstead V. US

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The right to be left alonethe most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by a free people.

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Of course as you say, all rights have limitations. But citing just that and no more should not be sufficient to abrogate a right. Sure. Alienable under some circumstances. But if the circumstances are routine, then the right cannot said to exist.

A Green Card is a permanent residency permit. It's not necessary to work in the US, which can be done on a H1 or L1 visa (and possibily others) Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.

All true. But I doubt that anyone would claim that a visa allowing temporary stay is not a privilege granted by the government. A green card is a bit closer a question, but still, IMO, a privilege.

Why, are your lips saying something different than your fingers? Offers that I cannot refuse are not really offers. Of course this is a mischaracterization and no one seeks to infect others or to have the right to do so. You might as well argue that no one has the right to be taken hostage by a terrorist and then go on to blame those who are.

Tell me, how good are you at controlling where the air you exhale ends up?

I don't see anybody asking for that right. Unless you are saying that because I was born I can be considered a threat to society. I suppose I am in some way but this is reminiscent of notions of original sin. Meh.I agree that an unvaccinated person presents some threat that a vaccinated person does not. We all present threats that others do not.I see that this is a tu quoque appeal to hypocrisy but I am not so sure that it is a fallacy in this case. I think that our tendency as humans to be hypocrites is something that we can not repress too harshly from the outside. It really only works when it is repressed voluntarily.Lost freedoms are near impossible to regain and the right to decide your medical regimen is a big one.