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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Added explanation for one of the studies, will get to the other soon.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
quote: Major correction: Study of boys aged 3 to 17 vaccinated as newborns for Hepatitis B, using probability calculations found positive correlation with PARENTAL REPORTS OF autism but higher in nonwhite boys. They didn't correlate cases of autism with the vaccinations, they correlated parental reports of autism diagnoses with the vaccine. This is not way suggests that the vaccines caused the autism. Also, as the report, itself, says:
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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That source for this paper is the "Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute" Theresa Deisher, the corresponding author, is the founder of
SCPI.http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/09/09/religious-fundamentalists-try-to-prove-fetal-dna-in-vaccines-causes-autism-and-fail/
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That looks suspiciously like an ad hominem to me. Did it or did it not get published in a reputable journal?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: On the basis of what I've seen so far, I'm going with "not" According a comment in NoNuke's link it's a "predatory journal" which exists only to take fees for publishing papers. And following up the assertion it checks out this far: And sure enough the publisher, Academic Journals is on the current list. And here are the criteria used to identify predatory publishers.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Effect of aluminum in vaccines on natural immunity in young children
Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations. Abstract Immune challenges during early development, including those vaccine-induced, can lead to permanent detrimental alterations of the brain and immune function. Experimental evidence also shows that simultaneous administration of as little as two to three immune adjuvants can overcome genetic resistance to autoimmunity. In some developed countries, by the time children are 4 to 6 years old, they will have received a total of 126 antigenic compounds along with high amounts of aluminum (Al) adjuvants through routine vaccinations. According to the US Food and Drug Administration, safety assessments for vaccines have often not included appropriate toxicity studies because vaccines have not been viewed as inherently toxic. Taken together, these observations raise plausible concerns about the overall safety of current childhood vaccination programs. When assessing adjuvant toxicity in children, several key points ought to be considered: (i) infants and children should not be viewed as "small adults" with regard to toxicological risk as their unique physiology makes them much more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al vaccine adjuvants have been linked to a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions (i.e., "ASIA"), yet children are regularly exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) it is often assumed that peripheral immune responses do not affect brain function. However, it is now clearly established that there is a bidirectional neuro-immune cross-talk that plays crucial roles in immunoregulation as well as brain function. In turn, perturbations of the neuro-immune axis have been demonstrated in many autoimmune diseases encompassed in "ASIA" and are thought to be driven by a hyperactive immune response; and (iv) the same components of the neuro-immune axis that play key roles in brain development and immune function are heavily targeted by Al adjuvants. In summary, research evidence shows that increasing concerns about current vaccination practices may indeed be warranted. Because children may be most at risk of vaccine-induced complications, a rigorous evaluation of the vaccine-related adverse health impacts in the pediatric population is urgently needed. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Media Promoting Medical Harm to Children
This is an emotional debate for sure. If we discount emotion and fear, we would realize that a child may have a greater chance of getting struck by lightning, accidental drowning or possibly from adverse side effects of the MMR vaccination itself than from acquiring live measles infection. I wish that my pediatric colleagues would offer parents factual pros and cons of vaccines in general so that a parent can make an informed decision and then give consent to vaccinate rather than being told that if their child isn’t vaccinated they will be thrown out of school and they are guilty of child abuse!
I am not advocating that vaccines be discontinued. I am advocating that doctors and patients become aware of the ingredients of these vaccines, what they can potentially do to affect an adverse outcome in an immunologically compromised child. Adverse reactions to MMR and other vaccines have been reported in numerous clinical trials and studies. I am advocating that medical practitioners and researchers, not journalists, address the real medical epidemics of autism, asthma, GI disease and autoimmune diseases facing our society and people around the world. Stop hyping the safety of MMR vaccines which may actually be more dangerous than live measles and may be ineffective in preventing the illness which they are so anxious to report as a dangerous epidemic itself. Let’s stop believing that the mainstream media is telling us the truth when all they are doing is shutting down any intelligent and open discussion about vaccine safety and how to improve it.- See more at: Dr. Michael Elice M.D. — Media Promoting Medical Harm to Our Children - Vaccine Impact
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young African American boys: a reanalysis of CDC data. METHODS: The author embarked on the present study to evaluate whether a relationship exists between child age when the first MMR vaccine was administered among cases diagnosed with autism and controls born between 1986 through 1993 among school children in metropolitan Atlanta. The Pearson's chi-squared method was used to assess relative risks of receiving an autism diagnosis within the total cohort as well as among different race and gender categories. RESULTS: When comparing cases and controls receiving their first MMR vaccine before and after 36 months of age, there was a statistically significant increase in autism cases specifically among African American males who received the first MMR prior to 36 months of age. Relative risks for males in general and African American males were 1.69 (p=0.0138) and 3.36 (p=0.0019), respectively. Additionally, African American males showed an odds ratio of 1.73 (p=0.0200) for autism cases in children receiving their first MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age versus 24 months of age and thereafter. CONCLUSIONS: The present study provides new epidemiologic evidence showing that African American males receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age or 36 months of age are more likely to receive an autism diagnosis. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
vaccineimpact.com A doctor on a crank site just ranting. His rant is reference free. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sure, if it says vaccinations are dangerous it must be a "crank" site. Anybody who disagrees with you is dismissed as a crank. Wonderful.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Effect of aluminum in vaccines on natural immunity in young children This abstract of this paper contains speculation and not much fact. Perhaps the paper is better? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Sure, if it says vaccinations are dangerous it must be a "crank" site. Anybody who disagrees with you is dismissed as a crank. Wonderful. Does that change the fact that his rant is as I described? Does the rant include facts backed up by research or is this just a doctor sounding off? There are lots of anti-vax cites out there. Just quoting statements from one of them does not advance your argument very much. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Added explanation for one of the studies, will get to the other soon. Based on what you've posted so far, can I conclude that mercury in vaccines is a non-issue? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Mercury is in the flu shot, which is still recommended for pregnant women.
It's still in others in amounts that can add up when many shots are given. So no, it's not a nonissue, and even if it were completely absent I'm still put out that it was once in vaccines they called safe, having manipulated their research in order to justify that big fat lie, and in enough quantity to cause autism and other results of mercury poisoning. For that fraud they should be sued out of business at least, perhaps prosecuted as criminals, and those they bought off should also be punished. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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It's still in others in amounts that can add up when many shots are given You have been told this many times so there is no excuse. No it cannot. Ethylmercury is cleared quite quickly from the body. You can not use what is known about methyl mercury when you are taking about thiomersal. Ethymercury does not bioaccumulate. You get more mercury eating fish than you from vaccines. Stopping reposting stuff you have been shown is wrong.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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