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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 676 of 1234 (741582)
11-13-2014 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 675 by Tangle
11-13-2014 11:15 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Tangle writes:
Explain.
Explain what?

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Tangle
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Message 677 of 1234 (741587)
11-13-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 676 by ringo
11-13-2014 11:24 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Ringo writes:
Explain what?
How I'm "expressing the same compassion that people felt for the Jews in the 1930s."

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 678 of 1234 (741589)
11-13-2014 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 677 by Tangle
11-13-2014 11:42 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Tangle writes:
How I'm "expressing the same compassion that people felt for the Jews in the 1930s."
None = none.

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Tangle
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From: UK
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Member Rating: 4.8


Message 679 of 1234 (741613)
11-13-2014 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 678 by ringo
11-13-2014 11:46 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Ringo writes:
None = none.
Is that supposed to mean something? Are you drunk?
I was hoping that you would explain why my expectations that UK citizens should comply with UK law by not mutilating children is comparable to the treatment of Jews in the 1930s

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 680 of 1234 (741619)
11-13-2014 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 674 by ringo
11-13-2014 11:01 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Tangle writes:
I suspect there would be little to no support for a mother in the UK who knew the law but still had her child cut....
Maybe you're right. You're expressing the same compassion that people felt for the Jews in the 1930s.
Maybe you should show compassion for the child.
Or better yet: Cut your dick off and come back in a year and tell us how awesome it is to live without genitals.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 681 of 1234 (741730)
11-14-2014 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 679 by Tangle
11-13-2014 12:56 PM


Re: Still Nothing...
Tangle writes:
I was hoping that you would explain why my expectations that UK citizens should comply with UK law by not mutilating children is comparable to the treatment of Jews in the 1930s
I was hoping that you'd be able to read. What I said was that your compassion for the members of a different culture is equal to the compassion that the Western democracies had for the members of a different culture (Jews) in the 1930s. You're putting law above humanity.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 682 of 1234 (741731)
11-14-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 680 by New Cat's Eye
11-13-2014 1:17 PM


Re: Still Nothing...
Cat's Eye writes:
Maybe you should show compassion for the child.
How does taking her mother away from her show compassion? And remember that that child is likely to grow up and want to continue her cultural practices with her own children. She needs lifelong compassion.
Compassion is more than just projecting your own fear of castration on everybody else.

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Tangle
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Message 683 of 1234 (741732)
11-14-2014 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 681 by ringo
11-14-2014 10:45 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Ringo writes:
I was hoping that you'd be able to read. What I said was that your compassion for the members of a different culture is equal to the compassion that the Western democracies had for the members of a different culture (Jews) in the 1930s. You're putting law above humanity.
And I'm asking you to explain that statement.
For the third time, please tell me how there is a comparison between protecting children under UK law in 2014 and the treatment Jews (by whom, how and where) in the 1930s.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 684 of 1234 (741735)
11-14-2014 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 683 by Tangle
11-14-2014 10:53 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Tangle writes:
For the third time, please tell me how there is a comparison between protecting children under UK law in 2014 and the treatment Jews (by whom, how and where) in the 1930s.
For the third time, the amount of compassion is the same - close to zero. If you think the comparison is inappropriate, you're the one who needs to explain.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 685 of 1234 (741736)
11-14-2014 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 682 by ringo
11-14-2014 10:49 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
How does taking her mother away from her show compassion?
I didn't say to take her mother away.
I'm talking about keeping her genitals intact.
If you can't see compassion in that then I can't help you.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 686 of 1234 (741739)
11-14-2014 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 685 by New Cat's Eye
11-14-2014 11:00 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Cat's Eye writes:
I didn't say to take her mother away.
How do you propose to imprison the mother without taking her away from the child? Are you going to imprison the child too?
Cat's Eye writes:
I'm talking about keeping her genitals intact.
If you can't see compassion in that then I can't help you.
I have compassion for the child and for her mother too. I'd like to keep them together and free.

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Tangle
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From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.8


Message 687 of 1234 (741741)
11-14-2014 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 684 by ringo
11-14-2014 10:58 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Ok. So you've made an unfounded, scurrilous accusation comparing my concern about child mutilation in the UK with the treatment of Jews in 1930s Nazi Germany - which you are not prepared to defend or even explain.
I think that just about does it for me and for whatever argument you thought you had. Thanks.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 688 of 1234 (741742)
11-14-2014 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 686 by ringo
11-14-2014 11:12 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
How do you propose to imprison the mother without taking her away from the child? Are you going to imprison the child too?
I've never proposed imprisoning the mother.
What are you talking about?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 689 of 1234 (741743)
11-14-2014 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 687 by Tangle
11-14-2014 11:22 AM


Tangle writes:
So you've made an unfounded, scurrilous accusation comparing my concern about child mutilation in the UK with the treatment of Jews in 1930s Nazi Germany....
I didn't say Nazi Germany. In Message 673 you said, "I suspect there would be little to no support for a mother in the UK who knew the law but still had her child cut," to which I replied in Message 674, " You're expressing the same compassion that people felt for the Jews in the 1930s." I thought it was fairly clear that I was referring to the UK.
Edited by ringo, : Added quote.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 690 of 1234 (741747)
11-14-2014 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 688 by New Cat's Eye
11-14-2014 11:32 AM


Re: Still Nothing...
Cat's Eye writes:
I've never proposed imprisoning the mother.
We're talking about trying to stop FGM, aren't we? The laws against it prescribe prison for the offenders, don't they? You jumped into a conversation about imprisoning the mothers.

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