Multiculturalism

How so? You don't even seem to understand what my point is. Maybe you should tell us what you think my point is.

You're comparing a western democracy turning a blind eye to Nazis locking up German Jews to a western democracy turning a blind eye to the UK locking up citizens who practice FGM.You're saying that when the Nazi's were rounding up German Jews, other democracies were turning a blind eye because that was the law in Germany and the other democracies thought that was okay - that's the German law and so be it, despite the fact that it was a terrible atrocity.Now, you're saying that those who support criminalizing FGM are like those other democracies in that we are turning a blind eye to all the women who are being locked up for FGM - for the same reasons: That's the UK law and so be it.When the Nazis were rounding up Jews, there were people in Germany speaking out against it saying that it was wrong - that's what the blind eye was being turned to.So, where are the people in the UK speaking out against the criminalization of FGM? What, specifically, are we turning a blind eye to?

So you're saying the Brits are less compassionate than the Germans were? How does that help your case?

No, I'm saying it is more compassionate to be against FGM, because FGM is objectively wrong.And there's nothing to turn a blind eye to because there aren't any Brits who want FGM to be legal.That's why you're wrong to compare the Brits to the Germans.If anything, you are the one who is turning the blind eye to the suffering of the girls.

So it's "more compassionate" to separate a young girl from her mother by throwing the mother in prison? It's "more compassionate" to deprive the siblings of their mother? What metric are you using to measure compassion? They can still turn a blind eye to the consequences of their law - broken families, for example. And you're ignoring the fact that those girls become the mothers who support FGM.

Sure, we should remove children from abusive homes. Its the right thing to do.If a parent is abusing their child then it is wrong to force the child to stay in that home. But they're not turning a blind eye, that's the intention. Why should we force kids to stay with parents who are abusing them? Okay, where are the UK citizens who are fighting to keep FGM legal?Admit it: they don't exist, do they?

Amen. Sing it, sister.But in this case, the child isn't being "forced' to stay with an "abusive" parent. You are projecting "abuse" on the child and you are forcing her to leave. There are people in the UK, who may or may not be official citizens, who want to practice FGM, are there not? Do you think they want it to be illegal?

I'm not gonna look up data to support your position for you. That's your job. Then remove your genitals and come back and tell me how awesome it is.You may very well convince me that this is not abuse.

I didn't ask you for data. It's a simple logical question: If they need a law to prevent FGM, there must be somebody who wants to do FGM, mustn't there? You're palming the pea. You might as well ask me to eat cashews to prove to you that nobody likes cashews.Opinions differ. Like it or not, your opinion on FGM is not the only possible opinion. In fact, women who have had the procedure disagree with your opinion.

Maybe they're being proactive instead of reactive. I don't know.Perhaps they see it in Africa and are going: "we don't want that shit here", despite the fact that FGM hasn't made it there yet. Have you figured out why they want to continue the practice yet?Its not because its awesome to not have genitals. And the reasons don't translate to the UK.

Apparently you think you have - but I'm skeptical about your mind-reading powers. If somebody says she wants chocolate, I say let her have chocolate and don't pretend that you know better than she does that she really really really wants vanilla.And don't throw her in prison for eating chocolate behind your back.

Then educate yourself. Here's the report from Unicef:http://www.unicef.org/media/files/FGCM_Lo_res.pdfStart with pages 14 - 21.Then go to page 52 and go on from there.Let me know if you learn anything.

UNICEF may well have concerns about forcing circumcision on women but we're talking here about women who are in favor of the procedure. If they don't think they're being "forced" into anything, why should UNICEF or you or anybody else overrule them? Why not let them decide for themselves?

That's discussed in the report too. Did you even click on the link? Did you look at page 14?If you can't be bothered to learn about this subject then there's no point in discussing it with you. Have you ever heard of Stockholm syndrome?

Of course no one here is really talking about FGM being forced on women, but about FGM being forced on little girls who cannot possibly have the mental faculty to consent or not to something such as FGM.I'm all in favor of a society that lets women mutilate their genitals as much as they please; but I have no tolerance for cultures that let those same women mutilate the genitals of children (regardless of whose children they are) or force it onto anyone else who may not consent (through cultural pressures, for example).And just like women who burn their children with cigarettes or lock them in the basement so they don't misbehave, I am 100% in favor of throwing women who force FGM on their daughters to spend substantial amounts of the remainder of their lives locked in a prison far removed from the free and successful societies that their infectious ideologies threaten to rip to pieces and away from the children they abuse.And this FGM-as-child-abuse is only part of the picture. In general, FGM is nothing but sexism, a discussion we've already had and don't need to have again.There is really no reason to think that allowing people from FGM cultures to continue to practice FGM on their daughters in host nations is anything other than a stupid and dangerous idea. And there is every reason to think that ridding the world of this practice will improve the lives of people the world over and protect children from the barbaric violence and bigotry of their own cultures.FGM has no place in the 21st century. Not in the West. Not in the East. Not anywhere.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.