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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Have you ever heard of childbirth? Still blowing smoke, ringo. Childbirth is not the subject. Trying to deflect away from your indefensible position making excuses for torture, butchery, mutilation of young girls.
It's dishonest. Pot, meet Kettle. Have you seen the videos, ringo?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2105 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
This thread needs a new start; it has gone completely stale:
When Liberal Preferences Meet Islamic Principles Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
When you can find entire nations or cultures of pedophilia victims who grow up wanting their children to be victims of pedophilia, you'll have a valid point.
paedophiles also disagree that they harm children; Tangle writes:
Go ahead and quote anything I said that supports FGM. I don't think you can. ringo writes:
Then now would be a good time to stop actually supporting it. I do not support FGM. But before you waste your time looking, let me explain one more time: I do not approve of abortion. I do support the right of women to make up their own minds. I do not pretend that women who want abortions have been coerced by men into thinking they want abortions. I respect them enough to take them at their word.
Tangle writes:
And yet you refuse to specify where the line is that separates what does "harm" and what does not. As long as you have an arbitrary definition of "harm", you can use it to oppress anybody you don't like. In this particular case it happens to be African Muslim women - but if there is no line to cross, who's next?
My line is to protect the children from those that would do them harm with FGM in my country.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Making up your own definitions for "torture" and "butchery" does not help your case.
Trying to deflect away from your indefensible position making excuses for torture, butchery, mutilation of young girls. AZPaul3 writes:
If you can show anywhere where I've been dishonest, please do.
ringo writes:
Pot, meet Kettle. It's dishonest. AZPaul3 writes:
Watching every video on YouTube isn't going to change the definitions of the words. Stop equivocating.
Have you seen the videos, ringo?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Making up your own definitions for "torture" and "butchery" does not help your case. ... Watching every video on YouTube isn't going to change the definitions of the words. Stop equivocating. FGM is misogynist, torture and butchery committed on children. FGM is a brutal cultural practice that needs to be eliminated from everywhere around the globe. A free democratic multicultural society is not required to condone, accept or allow cultural practices that violate the norms or laws of the greater society. Immigrants into such a society may be allowed, may be encouraged, to add their art, their dress, their holidays both religious and secular, etc., to the culture of their adopted country, but must be required to abandon, by force of law if necessary, those practices that violate the norms of the adopted society. FGM, honor killings and severing hands as penalty for theft, are three such practices that need to be actively and forcefully eliminated from immigrant community culture.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Ringo writes:
Would a tribe be enough?
When you can find entire nations or cultures of pedophilia victims who grow up wanting their children to be victims of pedophilia, you'll have a valid point.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Learn what "torture" and "butchery" mean.
FGM is misogynist, torture and butchery committed on children. AzPaul3 writes:
Agreed.
FGM is a brutal cultural practice... AZPaul3 writes:
Brutal cultural practices don't "need" to be eliminated. take hockey, for example. It arguably causes injuries as painful and permanent as FGM. I would like to see the brutality in hockey diminished but not by eliminating hockey.
... that needs to be eliminated from everywhere around the globe. AzPaul3 writes:
"Required", no. But we ought to examine our own values before we slap down every cultural practice we don't like. A free democratic multicultural society is not required to condone, accept or allow cultural practices that violate the norms or laws of the greater society. Here in Canada we had a bad experience with the residential schools which were established with the intent of eradicating the aboriginal cultures - i.e. "civilizing" the aboriginal people. The eradication process turned out to cause much, much more damage than the cultural practices that we were trying to eliminate. I suggest that we don't make the same mistake again.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kjsimons writes:
From what the Wiki article says, I wouldn't call what the Etoro tribe does "abuse". Is there any evidence of "harm" caused? ringo writes:
Would a tribe be enough? When you can find entire nations or cultures of pedophilia victims who grow up wanting their children to be victims of pedophilia, you'll have a valid point. Many of us find consensual homosexual practices icky, and we used to say it was "wrong" but we have come to realize that it is just different. Our attitudes toward the practices of the Etoro tribe are similar.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I should have been more specific. It wasn't the homo-sexual part of this practice but the young age at which these boys are encouraged to start this behavior.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
kjsimons writes:
I knew what you meant. I don't see how age makes any difference. Encouraging somebody to do something isn't necessarily "abuse".
It wasn't the homo-sexual part of this practice but the young age at which these boys are encouraged to start this behavior.
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Jon Inactive Member
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What happens when we regard all beliefs and cultures as equal?
quote: As the number of people who wish to practice FGMjust as an examplein the West increases, what will be the result? It is crucial that the prosperous nations of the earth defend the cultural practices that have made their nations prosperous and not relax their enforcement in the name of Multiculturalism and cultural relativism. The fate of the world depends on it. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Niall Ferguson? Are you freaking serious. He is an intellectual fraud and an overt racist.
Maybe you should research people before you quote them. Niall Ferguson trolls everyone in Newsweek | Salon.com Just google Niall Ferguson and you will find plenty examples.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Maybe you should research people before you quote them. I did. His character is quite questionable. What does that have to do with the information?Love your enemies!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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There was a recent scandal that, as much as anything else, illustrates the intellectual emptiness and moral ennui of the modern liberal man [...] It was discovered recently that Muslims in seven London schools were indoctrinating children with Islamic propaganda, ignoring Western culture and refusing to inculcate the British values of the moment. The situation was such that all of one school’s library books were in Arabic and many students couldn’t tell investigators whether they should follow British or Sharia law or which was more important. And one of these schools, mind you, was a state-run Church of England institution that happens to now be upwards of 80 percent Muslim. Um ... but it would say more about the "intellectual emptiness and moral ennui of the modern liberal man" if this hadn't happened under a conservative government, if charter schools weren't a pet idea of conservatives, and if "the modern liberal man" hadn't said FUCK THAT SHIT when they found out about it. Where this is coming from is a report which said those schools were awful, where the schools were ordered to change or face closure, and everyone, especially "the modern liberal man", agreed wholeheartedly. Do you really suppose that there'd even be such a thing as a "state-run Church of England school" if the left had their way? In your experience, are state subsidies for a state religion the sort of thing that lefties are particularly keen on? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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What does that have to do with the information? Well, I guess we might wonder if his unsupported say-so is in fact "information". If there's anything in his screed that you can reference from reputable sources, why don't you do that? If not, then he himself isn't much of a reference, since he isn't so much a scholar as a habitual liar.
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