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Message 46 of 50 (741745)
11-14-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by New Cat's Eye
11-14-2014 10:57 AM


Oh, so they don't really want what they say they want?
When they carry placards "keep the government's hands off my medicare", then no, they really don't know what they are talking about.

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Message 47 of 50 (742146)
11-17-2014 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Taz
11-11-2014 9:30 AM


Re: voter initiatives
Well, no. I don't believe in democracy, period.
Anyone remember back when Romney was running and half or so of republicans believed Romney gave the order to kill Bin Laden?
Democracy only works if the typical voter has a more vested interest in it. As it currently stands, they don't.
Aren't voter initiatives on the ballots a way of getting that vested interest? I would think that minimum wage laws and equal pay laws would provide incentive to a lot of people with a vested interest in a more just wage than they currently have.
My elderly parents just officially switched from hating Obama to loving him because of the benefits he's brought them.
And yet, people are saying Obama is the worst president in history. Really? Really? Despite the gridlock, this president has done more for the good of the country than Bush ever did.
Democracy only works when the typical voter votes for the people's best interest, not who hates Obama and gay people more.
For me it comes down to education and the ability to recognize political shinola and distraction propaganda to be able to sort their interests from those of the TV ads.
Your parents now know, for instance, that the GOP platform against the ACA was false, misleading and inaccurate.
Voter initiatives can address issues and educate voters regardless of party affiliation. You will still have the big companies fighting voter initiatives on things like GMO labels and stopping the XL pipeline ... but it will be corporations against people rather than democrat against republican.
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Message 48 of 50 (742184)
11-17-2014 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by New Cat's Eye
11-10-2014 3:21 PM


Re: Cruz and McConnell
I want small government.
Can you name an economically successful and populous nation that has the type of government you say you want?

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Message 49 of 50 (742186)
11-17-2014 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by ringo
11-13-2014 12:02 PM


Yes, that's what I'm saying. It isn't, "Most of us (U.S.) think the government is doing too much," as you claimed in Message 30. It's, "Most of us (Republicans) think the government is doing too much."
You forgot the last part, " . . . think the government is doing too much to help the poor, the middle class, and minorities (i.e. people who aren't white straight folk)."
The same people who claim they want a small government want the government present in the doctor's office to make sure women don't get abortions, want the government in the bathroom checking on what you are smoking, want the government spending trillions on wars that kill hundreds of thousands of islamic terrorists, and want the government in the wedding chapel to make sure that the two have offsetting genitalia.
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Message 50 of 50 (742225)
11-18-2014 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by nwr
11-14-2014 11:42 AM


The bumper sticker I thought was ironic was similar than that, but much more out there.
It was 'Keep your godless socialist hands off my medicare. ' The Godless, Socialist' addition broke my irony meter.

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