Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

It is based on a recent gallup poll. Also see: In U.S., New Record 43% Are Political Independents Both parties are trending downward as more and more people find their party no longer supports them. Indeed, and one should certainly separate the conservative independents from the liberal independents before assuming which candidates they will vote for (or against - I think this election may end up being the largest 'vote-against' election in history, with both sides voting more against the other than for theirs).Conversely this may make it a good year for third party candidates: there is a lot of talk among Berners about voting Green, and some recent polling shows Libertarians with 10% of the votes in a three-way with Trump and SHiliary. We just need to weed out election fraud\tampering\hacking by the parties.It may also be a good year for activists to affect the elections via watchdog groups to prevent the fraud. I can hope.Enjoy

Because pledged delegates are fixed (at least for the first round of voting), and their result are hard fact numbers.The super-delegates are not pledged, can change their mind, and their answering the question is like the results of a poll rather than an election. Hillary currently leads the pledged delegate count by 379 delegates, although this is being challenged by a full count of all the mail-in ballots in California, it is unlikely that much will change (two precincts have flipped so far). IFF you consider the reported results are accurate representations of the public, which it isn't. Vote tampering was rampant in many places (purged registrations, reported results at significant variance with exit polls, reported results not matching recounts, etc),See Google Drive: Sign-in We KNOW that the machines are hackable, especially when the party in charge of the election has the password codes to the counting machines, and there is evidence that both parties do this. What I am suggesting is that they pick the better candidate to win the general election -- that choice is now up to them.Pick #SHiliary and lose independents and the election, or ...
Pick Bernie and win -- all the polls show Bernie consistently beating Trump and SHiliary in a virtual tie with the Trumpster.If you believe polls of super-delegates is valid, then you should believe polls of national voting preference, yes?Enjoy

Actually, now that Hillary is the presumptive nominee, the latest polls show her pulling well ahead of Trump:realclearpolitics.comThe latest poll from Bloomberg actually has her ahead by double digits.Granted, it is still early. But I think the narrowness of the gap between Trump and Clinton that existed earlier was due to Trump becoming the presumptive nominee while Bernie and Hillary were still in a contested race.Also, The Donald has not had a good few weeks. He has repeatedly put his foot in his mouth. Especially with the issue around Trump university and the judge who is of Latino descent.

Right, but at least some of the news articles indicated checking the overwhelming majority of super-delegates (something like 80%) right before announcing that Hilary was over the top. There was nothing nefarious about the news reporting those facts. Who is paying attention to that stuff? Should we be paying attention?At this point, the race is over. Bernie has zero chance of winning. His poor showing outside of California pretty much eliminated him. Bernie had no chance even if he had a close split in California. So you are postulating a level of error that will significantly cut into that 3 million plus vote lead? Or are we talking about something reasonable well considered as marginal?The primary race is over. Bernie himself will probably tell you the same thing in a few days.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Interesting brief piece on the BBC News website. Have they got the reporting of this correct guys ? (In short, it's the statement by Bernie Sanders that he will work with Clinton to transform the Democrats and to beat Trump).US elections: Sanders 'to work with Clinton' to beat Trump - BBC News

Yes. Sort of. Kind of. Almost. Yah.He hasn't come out openly to say he's done and he's now a Clinton guy ... yet ... but that is coming. First he wants to rally up his supporters into the conventions where he can rattle up the Democratic Party to move further to the left on healthcare, education and etc. Get those planks into the Party's platform officially. Then the goal will be the defeat of Trump.

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The major political task that we face in the next five months is to make certain that Donald Trump is defeated and defeated badly.

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Thanks.It'll be interesting to see (assuming he and Clinton can work together in practice), whether his willingness to do so will bring a lot of his supporters with him, despite the bad blood with Clinton.

Bernie Sanders is trying to be the next Ralph Nader. I'm starting to think Sanders is secretly in league with Trump.

Lammy was thinking momentarily that: No he isn't. Ralphie thought there was no significant difference between Gore & Bush, whereas Bernie has pledged to do everything he can to defeat Trump and defeat him badly. Bernie most certainly abhorrent of being the next Nader....

The difference between the Iraq war and no Iraq war was not a significant difference?Ralph Nader singlehandedly destabilized the Middle East by giving Bush the presidency. Sanders is well on the way to giving us a Trump presidency. Eff Nader and Eff Sanders.

Wouldn't pushing the Democrats to the left help Trump rather than hurt him?

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On some issues, yes. Overall? That's not clear. What democrats have to worry most about is enthusiasm for the party and some turn of current events that could make more liberal politics fall out of favor. Are those portions of Sanders followers that won't support Hilary as she is currently situated a larger number than the independents who are more centrist? I could not say. Are large numbers of democrats going to stay at home or vote for Trump? Who knows at this point.

Why not?

Continuing with single word/line non-answers...Why not not?