Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

"My" doctrine used to be the foundation of this nation, it was the reason for our great success and prosperity and benevolence toward the rest of the world. It was in fact the inspiration for the liberties you now claim and impute to other sources while imputing their loss to me and my doctrines. There could be nothing more upside down and depressing than this. And we're already experiencing God's judgment for it. Behind Europe as usual, but I'd like to get even further behind myself.And I'm not particularly defending the conservatives in this country. I don't think they know what they are doing, and most of the time they support the exact opposite of what they should be supporting.

1 Peter 2 13-18: Romans 13 1-6:

Christianity is not about liberty. On the contrary, it's about duty; it's about curtailing one's own liberty for the common good. The liberties embraced by your founding fathers were intended to let people decide for themselves how to fulfil their duty.

What is your point? I'm saying the nation is now under God's judgment because we've abandoned Him and this is your response?

Put "liberty" in any Bible search feature. Here's the most pertinent: Christianity is against whatever binds the conscience.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That's what I said. The liberty that Galatians mentions does not give you an excuse to bad-mouth the people who don't live by your version of "God's laws".

No Christian "bad mouths" anyone who doesn't live by God's Law. Those are called "sinners," ya know, the ones Christ died for, which includes me and all Christians.What I'm talking about is a NATION's acknowledgement of God, not any individual's lilfestyle. This nation as a whole used to honor God. Yes, even by the public display of the Ten Commandments, which are after all a pretty universal set of laws. The liberal laws that were based on His Law have now been turned against Him.Since we've given up on God's Law we've come under God's judgment. It starts with His letting us get worse in denying Him and His Law, then it will end in the complete dissolution of the nation, its possession by foreigners or destruction by natural disaster or other methods.

So the GOP "investigation" into Bengazi (or the inquisition of Hillary) fell flat like a balloon with no air ... and actually ends up boosting Hillary - her popularity numbers are up, her donations are up ... another failure of the GOP bubbleworld to reflect reality.Now we have ...Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Al.) saying she can be impeached on her first day in office ...... any bets whether this will also help Hillary in the polls?ROFLOL what a maroon.Enjoy

Yes, which results in the rather strange situation where Huckabee was right about something. Well, sorta. Huckabee thinks he could have done better.Just a moment...

Better is one of the things Huckabee doesn't know.I watched most of it. My favorite scene was the congresswoman asking Hillary if she was home on Benghazi night: yes. Alone? Yes. All night? Hillary laughs, and the congresswoman rebukes her, no laughing matter, blah blah blah... With a smile: Yes, all night.I was in stitches.

Are you sure you're talking about Mo Brooks and not Mel Brooks?

My point is the the "foundation of this nation" actually involved rejecting in both word and deed the theory of government contained in the Bible in favor of a better one devised by the Founding Fathers. The very existence of the United States is the fruit of sin, or rather it would be if your religion was true and your god existed.

And based explicitly on pagan forms of government. Namely democracy (pagan Greek) and a representative republic (pagan Roman). As I understand it, James Madison made sure to pack along his Roman histories to the Constitutional Convention.And the very concept of religious liberty obviously comes from humanism, which itself grew out of our rediscovery of ancient Greek and Roman writings, which were pagan. For that matter, what the Preamble says about "We the People" forming our own government for our own benefit is exactly what the Radical Religious Right (RRR) of the 80's decried as "secular humanism."It was also in the 1980's that the RRR started the rumors that our government was founded and based on the Bible. That sounded completely contrary to fact then and it still does.

Faith ends with Thank you.

When I say "foundation" I'm not thinking particularly of the Founders but something more like the "spirit" of the nation, which was Christian to the core. Christianity was the spirit of the colonies and well over 95% of the population, and it couldn't be avoided even by the Deist Founders themselves, who had been steeped in the Bible even though they rejected this or that part of it. They were all committed to the morality of the Bible, God's Law, and thought a nation's people had to be grounded in that morality for the nation to be successful. They authored the First Amendment AND the religious ceremonies that were to open Congress showing that there is no violation of church and state in such practices in THEIR minds. They supported the printing of Bibles for use in the schools. It was Benjamin Franklin who advised the Continental Congress to open with prayer if they wanted a successful outcome to their business over which they had been wrangling, and he was no Christian. It's not clear what was done in response, but he DID propose it, even according to this report which calls the story a "myth" and then gives evidence that it was a fact: The Franklin Prayer Myth{I find it interesting that Franklin mentions the Congress' research into ancient forms of government in search of a model for the American, as including governments that had the seeds of their own dissolution in their founding. Seems to me ours did too, the way alien philosophies have been co-opting it for decades now.}That Christian spirit, compromised though it was in the Founders, is what we have lost and what is under assault daily now, which is going to bring the nation down to total ruin if God doesn't have mercy on us. And I don't see why He should.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.