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Dr Adequate
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Message 572 of 1639 (777667)
02-05-2016 11:02 AM
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02-04-2016 8:49 PM


Grandpa was pretty loveable though.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 573 of 1639 (777668)
02-05-2016 12:34 PM
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02-04-2016 8:49 PM


Cruz has always reminded me of Bill Murray. I keep waiting for him to break character.

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Message 574 of 1639 (777733)
02-06-2016 10:41 PM


Republicans Give Exceptional Display Of Competence
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This bodes well.

  
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Message 575 of 1639 (777811)
02-09-2016 12:08 AM


Made Me Smile

  
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Message 576 of 1639 (777833)
02-10-2016 3:09 AM


New Hampshire - The Numbers
Bernie - 60.0
Hillary - 38.4
Donald - 35.1
John - 15.9
Ted - 11.6
Jeb - 11.0
Marco - 11.0
On to South Carolina with a side note on Nevada.

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Message 577 of 1639 (777838)
02-10-2016 9:15 AM
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02-10-2016 3:09 AM


Re: New Hampshire - The Numbers
Definitely a wider spread on the Democratic side than Hillary would have liked. But I can't say I am surprised.
I think the larger surprise is The Donald's showing. My guess is the establishment Republicans were hoping that the polls were off the mark regarding his lead. Guess not.
Also just read that Chris Christie is heading back to New Jersey to 'decide next steps'. My guess is he will be dropping out shortly.

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Message 578 of 1639 (777854)
02-10-2016 3:31 PM
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Carly is out
Carly Fiorina Ends Bid For Republican Presidential Nomination : The Two-Way : NPR
Guess she will now have to go back to her previous job: ruining tech companies and cashing in golden parachutes.

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Message 579 of 1639 (777859)
02-10-2016 5:37 PM
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Re: New Hampshire - The Numbers
Also just read that Chris Christie is heading back to New Jersey to 'decide next steps'.
Block traffic to Trump's casinos, no doubt.

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Message 580 of 1639 (777873)
02-11-2016 8:24 AM
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02-10-2016 3:31 PM


Re: Carly is out
Guess she will now have to go back to her previous job: ruining tech companies and cashing in golden parachutes.
Yes, she aborted her campaign before the second trimester ...

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Message 581 of 1639 (777874)
02-11-2016 9:12 AM
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02-10-2016 3:09 AM


then superdelegates came and started rigging the system
Bernie - 60.0
Hillary - 38.4
And then the DNC allotted the delegates ...
From Iowa:
Bernie 21
Hillary 23
From New Hampshire:
Bernie 24
Hillary 9
Current Totals:
Bernie 44
Hillary 394
... what???
Under what new math does 21+24 = 44 and not 45?
And where in the heck did the (394-9-23=) 362 extra delegates for Hillary come from?
ANSWER: superdelegates ...
Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions
quote:
Superdelegates are non-elected voters who have the full power of delegates despite not being selected through primaries or caucuses. The Democratic National Committee is currently the only political party to appoint superdelegates or to have a weighted nomination system. The number of superdelegates appointed per state depends upon that state's population and Democratic voter registration, thereby giving more weight to states with stronger Democratic bases.
There are 796 super-delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention, comprising nearly one fifth of the total number of delegates.
About half of the super-delegates are current and former elected officials: all current Democratic Congressmen and Governors, and all former presidents, vice presidents, majority and minority leaders. The other half are members of the Democratic National Committee.
The system is rigged and the establishment is trying to "fix" the election ...
Then there is the uncontestably biased Chair of DNC Debbie Wassserman Schultz, who -- it just happens -- was campaign co-chair for Hillary Clinton's 2008 unsuccessful run for President ... who tried to have a short debate season with minimum debates all held before the first primary and all poorly advertised.
There has been much abuse here, too much bias and hi-jinks more typical of republicans.
So now we have more "unsanctioned" debates because of complaints, and now dirty tricks ... like the "push poll" in Nevada:
I Just Got "Push Polled" by Hillary Clinton's Nevada Campaign - Nolan Dalla
quote:
The Hillary Clinton campaign now appears willing to resort to just about anything including using underhanded campaign tactics in order to reverse the national tide turning against her in the four early primary states (and state caucuses). It’s readily apparent that her campaign has begun deploying one of the sneakiest tricks of political survey methodology. It’s called push polling. ...
INTERVIEWER: Hmmm, okay. So, what if I were to tell you The Washington Post said that Bernie Sanders’ campaign promises would cost more than $20 trillion and would raise everyone’s taxes would you now be more likely’ or ‘less likely to vote for Sanders, or has your opinion remained unchanged?
INTERVIEWER: Uhhh, what if I were to tell you The New York Times expressed serious reservations about Bernie Sanders being able to work with Congress and described him as ‘divisive’ would you now be more likely’ or ‘less likely to vote for Sanders, or has your opinion remained unchanged?
What makes this so reprehensible is that many voters will not be able to discern truth from fiction. They will conclude the poll feeling they were important enough to receive a phone call mistakenly believing they were asked fair questions and then were left with lingering doubts about the viability of Bernie Sanders as a presidential candidate.
The questions are thinly veiled attacks on Bernie Sanders rather than an unbiased opinion poll that it pretends to be.
This from the candidate that complained of "artful" smear campaigns.
National polls now put Bernie and Hillary neck and neck -- she is running scared.
Enjoy

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Message 582 of 1639 (777878)
02-11-2016 11:36 AM
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02-11-2016 9:12 AM


Re: then superdelegates came and started rigging the system
Hi, RAZD.
RAZD writes:
There has been much abuse here, too much bias and hi-jinks more typical of republicans.
So, this is the first year I've really closely followed the primaries and tried to understand the system, so maybe I don't know the history here. As much as I disagree with Republicans on social issues, I have to say that the GOP's nomination apparatus is far superior.
It seems like the DNC has overthought every aspect of the primary system. Counting votes should be just about the least complicated thing human civilization has ever done, yet somehow the DNC managed to make it obscure and convoluted to the point that I don't even have the will power to look it up.
Has it always worked this way?

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Message 583 of 1639 (777883)
02-11-2016 12:31 PM
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02-11-2016 9:12 AM


Re: then superdelegates came and started rigging the system
RAZD writes:
...{deletia}...
From New Hampshire:
Bernie 24
Hillary 9
...{more deletia}...
are you sure that was right? I saw 13 and 9, not 24 and 9. There were 8 suprdelegates of which 6 were already committed to Hillary. At that time the 2 undecided could have gone either way, making it anywhere from 15-15 to 13-17.
???
And then today RCP has this different count:
realclearpolitics.com
Edited by xongsmith, : Another country heard from

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 584 of 1639 (777888)
02-11-2016 12:49 PM
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Re: then superdelegates came and started rigging the system
And I repeat my previous statement that counting votes should be the single least complicated thing human civilization has ever had to do.

-Blue Jay, Ph.D.*
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Darwin loves you.

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Message 585 of 1639 (777889)
02-11-2016 12:53 PM
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02-11-2016 12:31 PM


Re: then superdelegates came and started rigging the system
are you sure that was right? I saw 13 and 9, not 24 and 9.
No I'm not sure, I've seen it both ways, and I can't find a definative tabulation - listing results from votes separate from superdels.
Seems the media is ... inadequate...
But the point remains that Hillary is benefitting from establishment superdels.

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