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Minnemooseus
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Message 496 of 505 (839960)
09-19-2018 10:09 PM
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09-19-2018 12:55 PM


Arrr, let's get to the root correlation

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Message 497 of 505 (839961)
09-20-2018 12:47 AM
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Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
Higher ocean temps means more storms and stronger storms. There is no way around that. I guess people could argue that the increase in temperature isn't man made, that temperature cycles naturally. However, it is getting rather difficult to deny the facts of temperature increases and the impact it has on long term climate trends.

Yes, that's the question, what is the cause of the rise in temperature.

Somewhere not too long ago, sorry I don't remember who said it, some creationist interpreted the rise in temperature as the normal playing out of effects since the Flood. That is, the Flood brought on a horrific ice age that covered a lot of the planet and since then has been gradually receding to the poles, so the warming we're experiencing is just the continuation of that trend.

Interesting that this is bringing on more destructive storms because it does happen to correspond to the rapidly accumulating "fullness of time" for God's judgment on the planet too. I'm sure if some great number of us asked God to spare us, He would, but that isn't going to happen, is it? "Science" no matter how questionable is always preferable to prayer. In fact it's all going to continue to be imputed to human causes which is going to have political consequences that may be as devastating as the natural causes of God's judgment.

Sorry to bring up such a bummer of a thought, especially after hearing about the cute Talk Like a Pirate Day. But Avast ye and all hands on deck, not to mention shiver me timbers, for the time is at hand.


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Message 498 of 505 (839967)
09-20-2018 11:55 AM
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09-20-2018 12:47 AM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
Faith writes:

I'm sure if some great number of us asked God to spare us, He would....


That isn't how He works though, is it? He picks one person, such as Noah or Abraham, and spares one family from the general slaughter. Abraham personally advocated for the Sodomites and Gomorrites but Noah didn't even bother to do that. To be fair, he was busy building the ark, while Abraham only had to check the fire extinguishers....

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 499 of 505 (839969)
09-20-2018 1:16 PM
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09-20-2018 12:47 AM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
Faith writes:

Yes, that's the question, what is the cause of the rise in temperature.

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas which means it traps heat in the atmosphere. The increase in temperature correlates with the massive increases in carbon dioxide. That massive increase in carbon dioxide correlates with humans burning massive amounts of fossil fuels.

The cause seems pretty clear to me.


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Message 500 of 505 (839977)
09-20-2018 3:29 PM
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09-18-2018 9:16 AM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
The climate change prediction for the New England region is that we would become warmer and wetter. We were warmer this summer than we've ever been. I thought wetter would mean more rain, but it turned out to mean higher humidity - it was a very hot and humid summer. The warmer part also means less snow. We get more rain in the winter now than we used to.

While I understand that climate change is supposed to mean wetter climates overall, the recent trend here in recent years seems to be drier. Less snowfall in winter and less rainfall in summer. It's unquestionably gotten hotter over the last decade though; and we haven't really had a winter for the past few years.

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Message 501 of 505 (839986)
09-20-2018 11:08 PM
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09-20-2018 1:16 PM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
I wonder how the assumption of billions of years for the age of the earth affects calculations of natural causes of CO2 production as opposed to thousands of years. Just wondering. Also, if the theory that there is a natural trend of warming since the Flood is true, human contributions might be speeding it up now, but it would still continue in any case.
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Message 502 of 505 (839991)
09-21-2018 8:20 AM
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09-20-2018 11:08 PM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
Faith writes:

I wonder how the assumption of billions of years for the age of the earth affects calculations of natural causes of CO2 production as opposed to thousands of years.

There is no assumption of billions of years for the age of the Earth but rather a conclusions based on absolute and overwhelming evidence.

Faith writes:

Also, if the theory that there is a natural trend of warming since the Flood is true, human contributions might be speeding it up now, but it would still continue in any case.

There is no such theory and there is absolute and overwhelming evidence that there has never been a Biblical Flood during the time humans existed.


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Message 503 of 505 (839997)
09-21-2018 11:43 AM
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09-20-2018 3:29 PM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
caffeine writes:

While I understand that climate change is supposed to mean wetter climates overall, the recent trend here in recent years seems to be drier. Less snowfall in winter and less rainfall in summer. It's unquestionably gotten hotter over the last decade though; and we haven't really had a winter for the past few years.

The nature of any climate change will differ around the world. Changes could be in any direction, including warmer/colder and wetter/drier. On average the global temperature will rise.

The biggest climate change could be to Europe if Greenland's melting glaciers disrupt the Gulf Stream that keeps Europe's climate moderate.

--Percy


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Message 504 of 505 (839999)
09-21-2018 1:28 PM
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09-20-2018 11:08 PM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
Faith writes:

I wonder how the assumption of billions of years for the age of the earth affects calculations of natural causes of CO2 production as opposed to thousands of years. Just wondering.

All we need is the data from the last 200 years or so.


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There is also a shift towards 12C in the isotope concentrations in atmospheric CO2, and fossil fuels are rich in 12C compared to other natural sources like dissolved CO2 in the ocean and CO2 from volcanic eruptions. All of the evidence points to humans increasing atmospheric CO2 by more than 30%.

Also, if the theory that there is a natural trend of warming since the Flood is true, human contributions might be speeding it up now, but it would still continue in any case.

That's a made up fantasy, not a theory. There is a difference between the two.


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Message 505 of 505 (840014)
09-21-2018 6:35 PM
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09-21-2018 11:43 AM


Re: Anyone still doubt climate change?
The biggest climate change could be to Europe if Greenland's melting glaciers disrupt the Gulf Stream that keeps Europe's climate moderate.

The biggest changes occurring right now appear to be warming in some arctic regions of 20-30 degrees. That warming is leading to the thawing of tundra and the release of massive amounts of methane, a more effective greenhouse gas than CO2.

An interesting consequence of this warming period is sea level rise from expansion of warmer water and from melting glaciers. We are living through a period of ocean transgression and can observe the patterns of erosion and deposition around the continents.

Our very own realtime Walther's Law Experiments.


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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