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Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 116 (749795)
02-08-2015 3:35 PM
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02-06-2015 9:24 AM


Assuming I recognized him, I guess I'd open with "hello, God".
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Dr Adequate
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Message 17 of 116 (749797)
02-08-2015 3:41 PM
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02-07-2015 5:22 PM


Predictable responses.

Complaining that atheists are predictable is one of the top 523 dumbest things theists do. Yes, obviously they're predictable, that's because they're right. If you went around saying that two twos are five, it's highly predictable that you'd hear the word "four" a lot.

If what I've said is true so that there are practical causes for suffering and also practical solutions, you'd think a pragmatic rational position would be concerned with that side of things.

Quite so. For example, there are practical causes for diseases, such as bacteria and viruses, practically transmitted by things such as poor sanitation and contaminated water, and addressable by practical solutions such as antibiotics, vaccines, and improved sanitation. People with a pragmatic rational position are concerned with that side of things.

Then there are the impractical irrational solutions, such as prayer, burning witches, animal sacrifice, and blaming the nearest Jew. We tried all that, Faith, it didn't work.


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Tangle
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Message 18 of 116 (749800)
02-08-2015 4:17 PM
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02-08-2015 3:35 PM


Dr A writes:

Assuming I recognized him, I guess I'd open with "hello, God".

What, not "Yo bro, how's it danglin'?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 19 of 116 (749802)
02-08-2015 4:59 PM
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02-08-2015 4:17 PM


What, not "Yo bro, how's it danglin'?

This gave me an idea for a nother question does he still have his foreskin? You know practice what you preach.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 20 of 116 (749834)
02-09-2015 12:09 PM


Dawkins vs Mr.Deity ie god.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


    
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Message 21 of 116 (749909)
02-10-2015 10:23 AM


My Question for God
Having come upon God, and realizing who He is, the first question in my mind would be:

Do you not have the ability to prevent evil in our world, or do you just not care enough?

"Free Will" is an answer equivalent to "doesn't care" as evil actions are defined as those that remove the Free Will of innocent people.
Preventing the free-will of evil-doers is a much more caring alternative to allowing evil-doers to prevent the free-will of innocent people.

Which is fair enough, I'd just like to know God's stance.


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Message 22 of 116 (749955)
02-10-2015 3:53 PM
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02-10-2015 10:23 AM


Re: My Question for God
remove free will of innocent people

So helmet laws, for example, are evil.

Your definition is not too good.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 23 of 116 (749962)
02-10-2015 4:22 PM
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02-10-2015 3:53 PM


Re: My Question for God
remove free will of innocent people

So helmet laws, for example, are evil.

Just because its the law doesn't mean that you have to wear one.

What would be evil is strapping helmets to peoples' heads by force.


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Stile
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Message 24 of 116 (750004)
02-11-2015 8:54 AM
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02-10-2015 3:53 PM


Re: My Question for God
NoNukes writes:

Stile writes:

"Free Will" is an answer equivalent to "doesn't care" as evil actions are defined as those that remove the Free Will of innocent people.

So helmet laws, for example, are evil.

Your definition is not too good.

Sorry, I was trying to keep the point simple and not write an all-encompassing response.
Your interpretation of my definition, although viable from the text I provided... is wrong.

What I meant is that all evil actions include the removal of Free Will of innocent people. Therefore, protecting "Free Will" is not a valid defense to allow evil actions to exist.
I did not mean to imply that all removals of Free Will of innocent people are defacto evil actions.

I hope this clarifies your valid confusion?


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 25 of 116 (750009)
02-11-2015 9:52 AM
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02-11-2015 8:54 AM


Re: My Question for God
What I meant is that all evil actions include the removal of Free Will of innocent people. Therefore, protecting "Free Will" is not a valid defense to allow evil actions to exist.

Then perhaps God would say: "I care more about allowing people to have Free Will than I do about preventing evil."


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jar
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Message 26 of 116 (750010)
02-11-2015 10:04 AM
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02-11-2015 9:52 AM


Re: My Question for God
Or that evil, bad and unfortunate are not synonyms.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Stile
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Message 27 of 116 (750011)
02-11-2015 10:06 AM
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02-11-2015 9:52 AM


Re: My Question for God
Cat Sci writes:

Then perhaps God would say: "I care more about allowing people to have Free Will than I do about preventing evil."

Which is what I suspect, if God does in fact exist and is all-powerfull.
He just doesn't care enough to prevent the evil.


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Tangle
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Message 28 of 116 (750012)
02-11-2015 10:21 AM


I think my question will be

'Why did you make life on earth competitive?'


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 29 of 116 (750013)
02-11-2015 10:39 AM
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02-11-2015 10:04 AM


Re: My Question for God
jar writes:

Or that evil, bad and unfortunate are not synonyms.

I'm not really concerned about bad or unfortunate stuff.
Just evil stuff like the sex trade and harsh slavery and shit like that... people being really evil against other people.

If a God capable of preventing such things exists and chooses not to interfere... well, I wouldn't want to be associated with His morals, anyway.

Unless, of course, He actually has a good answer for the question. Which is why I'd ask it.
He is God, right? It's quite possible God has a satisfying answer that we haven't been able to think of or understand yet.

"Preferring free will," however, is a horrible answer. It's quite possible for a horrible, irrational God, sure, but it... um... is left wanting.

1. It values the free will of the evil-doer above that of the victim. And in the more-evil actions, the victim can have the rest of their life's free will removed... as opposed to preventing the evil-doer's free will for a single action. If God really did "prefer free will," then He would prevent the action if He could.

2. It is simply incompatible with any basic moral standard.


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Message 30 of 116 (750014)
02-11-2015 10:41 AM
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Re: My Question for God
Yes, we certainly know that is what you believe, but I for one would hate and fear a world where evil was prevented by some God.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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