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Stile
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Message 31 of 108 (750019)
02-11-2015 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
02-11-2015 10:41 AM


Re: My Question for God
jar writes:

...but I for one would hate and fear a world where evil was prevented by some God.

What's the difference between you preventing evil and a God preventing evil?

If you're against a God preventing evil... are you also against yourself preventing evil?
Are you against preventing evil of any kind, at all times?

I'm having a hard time aligning such an idea of "not wanting God to prevent evil" and also "being a good person" in anyway.

But, of course, this is not the place for such a discussion.
I've revived another thread if you care to take it over there:

God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.
Message 39


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jar
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Message 32 of 108 (750020)
02-11-2015 11:12 AM
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02-11-2015 11:05 AM


Re: My Question for God
What's the difference between you preventing evil and a God preventing evil?

If you're against a God preventing evil... are you also against yourself preventing evil?
Are you against preventing evil of any kind, at all times?

The former is a human effort and learning experience while I can see no human advantage to the later, simply oppression.

I am not against humans trying to prevent evil or mitigate any ill effects. I am most definitely not against preventing evil of any kind at all times, but I am also most definitely not in favor of it.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Stile
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Message 33 of 108 (750023)
02-11-2015 11:25 AM
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02-11-2015 11:12 AM


Re: My Question for God
jar writes:

The former is a human effort and learning experience...

Agreed.

...while I can see no human advantage to the later, simply oppression.

You see no human advantage to when a human life is protected?

I can understand if you personally weigh "learning experience" over "protecting innocent people"... that's your call.
But saying that a God protecting innocent people is simply oppression with no human advantage... that's just cold.


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jar
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Message 34 of 108 (750025)
02-11-2015 11:30 AM
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02-11-2015 11:25 AM


Re: My Question for God
Whatever.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 35 of 108 (750050)
02-11-2015 1:18 PM
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02-11-2015 10:06 AM


Re: My Question for God
Which is what I suspect, if God does in fact exist and is all-powerfull.
He just doesn't care enough to prevent the evil.

He might care about evil, but just not as much as he cares about Free Will.

Or maybe his isn't exactly ALL-powerful...

Without evil, can you really have good? Wouldn't it all just be a bunch of meh?

Then, why even bother with the whole Earth thing... just send us all straight to heaven.


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Stile
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Message 36 of 108 (750103)
02-11-2015 2:54 PM
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02-11-2015 1:18 PM


Re: My Question for God
Cat Sci writes:

He might care about evil, but just not as much as he cares about Free Will.

Or maybe his isn't exactly ALL-powerful...

Without evil, can you really have good? Wouldn't it all just be a bunch of meh?

Then, why even bother with the whole Earth thing... just send us all straight to heaven.

So many possible answers.
Plus, with God being God, He may have some answer that we aren't even capable of uncovering on our own.

Hence, my question.
If God does exist and I'm ever able to meet Him, I would just like to know exactly where He stands on this one.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 37 of 108 (750109)
02-11-2015 2:59 PM
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02-11-2015 2:54 PM


Re: My Question for God
quote:
If God does exist and I'm ever able to meet Him, I would just like to know exactly where He stands on this one.

God writes:

You silly human. It was all dream! None of that shit was real. I can't believe you fell for that! HaHaHaHaHA!

but it seemed so plausible!..


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ringo
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Message 38 of 108 (750235)
02-12-2015 11:20 AM
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02-11-2015 1:18 PM


Re: My Question for God
Cat's Eye writes:

Without evil, can you really have good? Wouldn't it all just be a bunch of meh?


That's an old joke: Why are you hitting yourself with that hammer? Because it feels so good when I stop.

I think a lot of people would prefer the meh - i.e. not hitting themselves with the hammer, even if they'll never know the pleasure of stopping.


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Phat
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Message 39 of 108 (763072)
07-20-2015 11:46 AM
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02-07-2015 9:00 AM


Re: Questions
How the hell did you put up with someone like Paul or Calvin or Luther? The same way that I have put up with you.

When's the BBQ and Low Country Boil? As soon as you organize it!

Where can I get a good pint of bitter? If you hang around here long enough, you will find that our Spirit is much better than any spirits that you drink.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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jar
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Message 40 of 108 (763073)
07-20-2015 11:47 AM
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07-20-2015 11:46 AM


Re: Questions
Phat writes:

Where can I get a good pint of bitter? If you hang around here long enough, you will find that our Spirit is much better than any spirits that you drink.

If that's the case then I'm off to a good pub.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Phat
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Message 41 of 108 (763074)
07-20-2015 11:49 AM
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07-20-2015 11:47 AM


Re: Questions
Dont forget to tell them about me. If necessary, use words.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 42 of 108 (763077)
07-20-2015 11:52 AM
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02-11-2015 1:18 PM


Re: My Question for God
Without evil, can you really have good? Wouldn't it all just be a bunch of meh?
We may never know. I would imagine, however, that a day without evil couldn't help but be more than simply a meh type of day.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 43 of 108 (763078)
07-20-2015 11:52 AM
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07-20-2015 11:46 AM


Re: Questions
Phat writes:

If you hang around here long enough, you will find that our Spirit is much better than any spirits that you drink.


But the hangover is worse.
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Phat
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Message 44 of 108 (763105)
07-21-2015 6:38 AM
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02-11-2015 2:54 PM


Re: My Question for God
Stile writes:

If God does exist and I'm ever able to meet Him, I would just like to know exactly where He stands ...

A question for all of us. IF God exists and we were able to commune/communicate with Him, would we be more interested in knowing Him and His mind (and heart)or would we be merely content with answers to our problems...as if he were but a giant political boss who was responsible for the status quo.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 45 of 108 (763106)
07-21-2015 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
02-11-2015 11:12 AM


Re: My Question for God
What's the difference between you preventing evil and a God preventing evil?

jar writes:

The former is a human effort and learning experience while I can see no human advantage to the latter, simply oppression.

Does this mean that you see no human advantage---in general---with God doing things for us? Apparently you strongly believe that by humans being responsible and learning to solve problems, progress is made but by allowing, hoping, praying and waiting for God to help us doesn't really help us.

You say that I prefer a God who favors Phat. Not quite. I prefer a God who favors humanity. Perhaps I grew up with the idea that a parent who favors(dare I say spoils) their children is preferred over a cold one who boots the birds out of the nest and says sink or swim.

Many human ideas about God are a reflection of what we believe and expected from our parents and families.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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