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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do a Google search on "halo" where you'll find out it is not in the Bible in any form at all, which is why it was not used in early Christian art. It has a pagan origin, usually associated with the sun and various sun gods, not a Christian symbol at all.
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
The Halo and chariots of God are two separate things.
A person would have to know what the Holy Spirit looks like first to know that He appears as a Halo in scripture by alighting and remaining upon Jesus in bodily form. If you do not know what He looks like, you cannot possibly say that it is not Him. Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
The Spirit of God appears to be revealing to us through the Halo that He is the breathe of life given to all mankind in the very beginning by God.
This is not to be confused with the life that Christ gives us through the Spirit of truth. Genesis 2:7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life; and man became a living being. The term "Spirit" translates the Hebrew word ruah which in it's primary sense, means breathe, air, wind. I believe that the breathe of life went into man's nostrils and is located over and throughout the brain giving us life. Hence, the Halo is over the head, representing the Spirit of God giving us life in this world. And without the breathe of life, the brain would not function and we would have no life in this world. The breathe of life is connected to our spirits by the silver cord. When the silver cord is loosed, we are cut off from the breathe of life, the brain dies, we become disconnected from our bodies, and our no longer part of this visible world. Ecclesiastes 12:6-7. Remember your Creator before the silver cord is loosed. Or the golden bowl is broken, Or the pitcher shattered at the fountain, Or the wheel broken at the wheel. Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. I believe that the Halo would be the Spirit of God's rightful place in revealing to us that He is the breathe of life given to all mankind in the very beginning by God and thus the Halo does not have to be limited to Christianity.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I don't see lines similar to those in the icon.
Pareidolia.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
A person would have to know what the Holy Spirit looks like first to know that He appears as a Halo in scripture Let's just focus on the halo for now. Quote me a scripture that let's me know what a halo looks like. The picture you've provided is not from the Bible, so that is not evidence of anything. Perhaps you don't understand the question. I'm asking you to generate evidence for your proposition. Just telling me that I don't know what a halo looks like and therefore it looks like the picture does not accomplish that. It just let's me know that you believe your own fictions. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass The only thing I suggest is that genes died as a result of all those people and animals dying in the Flood, whose traits were lost to the species and therefore the alleles for those traits, so the genes just died and remain in the genome as corpses. Faith
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
The photograph is of a supernatural spiritual entity. It has been a mystery to mankind for a decades. You can clearly see an inner circle and an outer circle in both pictures. The Halo is in scripture as the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) alighting and remaining upon Jesus in bodily form. If you cannot see this than you are simply out of luck.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The Halo is in scripture as the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) alighting and remaining upon Jesus in bodily form. Your claim is that Ezekiel's chariots resemble those halos. Show us a description of both from the Bible and let us compare them. Otherwise, if your claim is merely that the halos look like dust mote photos, that is extremely uninteresting because halos themselves are man made nonsense. Not Biblical at all. You've been asked to provide these descriptions at least three times now. In addition other people have told you that the descriptions of halos do not exist. Instead of addressing either set of posters directly, you post a bunch of dissembling nonsense that does not address the issue. At this point I have to assume that you don't have any real answer to the question and that you are a liar, and that your claim to be the worlds' foremost expert in spirit pictures is delusional. You really don't care what the Bible actually says now that you've made up your mind, do you? I highly doubt you'll be able to deliver any evidence, and I won't bother to debate with proven liars. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass The only thing I suggest is that genes died as a result of all those people and animals dying in the Flood, whose traits were lost to the species and therefore the alleles for those traits, so the genes just died and remain in the genome as corpses. Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ScottRP writes:
I said they can not be established as real. To establish something as real, you must be able to convince other people that it's real. Just because everybody can not see or photograph spirits does not mean that they are not real. Unfortunately for the case you are trying to make, the "orbs" have been established as real - but they are not what you say they are.
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
The Holy Spirit and His works are highly misunderstood in the world.
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
quote:This is not my claim. I claim that the Holy Spirit resemble's that Halo. Please see message 475.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Holy Spirit and His works are highly misunderstood in the world. You keep making such claims but never offer any evidence that a Holy Spirit exists or does any works at all.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
It is funny how I can show someone like yourself a photograph of the Holy Spirit and a chariot of God and you just shake your head and say, "where's the evidence." I suppose that a photograph of yourself would not be evidence that you exist as well?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is funny how I can show someone like yourself a photograph of the Holy Spirit and a chariot of God and you just shake your head and say, "where's the evidence." I suppose that a photograph of yourself would not be evidence that you exist as well? We've been over this exact scenario already in this thread so it's time for you to stop posting really stupid assertions. Of course a picture of me would not be much evidence that I exist unless it could be verified. What is needed is additional information and evidence that supported an assertion that the picture was of me. So the issue is "what evidence exists that I exist?" One line of evidence is that I have a history of posts here at EvC going back about a decade and those posts could be examined for consistency. So far I have not seen any posts here by the "Holy Spirit". You can post (and have posted) here and I replay. So far the "Holy Spirit" has not replied to any posts here. If you had a picture of me it could be compared to photographs of me that are out there on the web and people could determine whether the pictures matched. Finally, someone could bring the picture to me and actually compare the photo to the original. Bring us the evidence that the "Holy Spirit" is in any of your photographs and the evidence that the "Holy Spirit" has ever done any works.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ScottRP Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 515 From: Tustin, California USA Joined: |
How does a person with no ID get identified in the morgue? A person who has seen the person before can identify him. I have seen the Holy Spirit before and can identify Him as well. Also, I have used scripture which support this.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How does a person with no ID get identified in the morgue? A person who has seen the person before can identify him. I have seen the Holy Spirit before and can identify Him as well. Also, I have used scripture which support this. Again, that is simply not true. You have quoted scripture but it does not support any of your assertions or help provide evidence for your photographs. Also, the example of personal identification of a body in a morgue doesn't help you very much either. In that case anyone else can also examine the body in the morgue to establish it really exists. Fingerprints and tattoos and DNA and blood type and descriptions and other methods of verification are used to positively identify the body. None of those tests have been performed on the "Holy Spirit".Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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