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Author Topic:   Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)
ScottRP
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Message 841 of 1310 (767336)
08-28-2015 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 840 by ringo
08-28-2015 12:15 PM


It has not been proven.
There are photo anomalies that appear orbital sometimes, such as a reflection, snow, and rarely dust. Most of the orbs that people call spirit orbs and angel orbs are genuine. An experience eye can tell the difference. You do not need to because the majority of photographs on the internet are of the Holy Spirit and His works.

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ringo
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Message 842 of 1310 (767337)
08-28-2015 12:30 PM
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08-28-2015 12:27 PM


ScottRP writes:
An experience eye can tell the difference.
You need to tell us HOW to tell the difference. You seem to be saying that you need to believe it's true before you can see it. That's a worthless test. If you have a better test, for God's sake tell us what it is.

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ScottRP
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Message 843 of 1310 (767345)
08-28-2015 1:37 PM
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08-28-2015 12:30 PM


You do not have to believe in the Holy Spirit to see Him. Only you will not believe it is the Holy Spirit unless you believe in Him. There are lots of people in the world who have seen the Holy Spirit. But only a few of them know it was Him. I do not need to tell you how to tell the difference. I would suggest you leave that up to the experienced eye.

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Bliyaal
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Message 844 of 1310 (767346)
08-28-2015 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 838 by ScottRP
08-28-2015 12:09 PM


Prove it.
Irony meter overload!
Come on! All you did so far was asserting stuff and you dare asking ringo to prove something?
And before you say it, no, those pics aren't proof. You only assert that they are because you say so.

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ScottRP
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Message 845 of 1310 (767347)
08-28-2015 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 844 by Bliyaal
08-28-2015 1:43 PM


My claims are supported by scripture.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

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Bliyaal
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Message 846 of 1310 (767351)
08-28-2015 2:14 PM
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08-28-2015 1:45 PM


Seeing what you quoted so far, you're wrong. And even if you were right, scripture is true because?
Ok lets recap :
On one side we have evidence that we can create "orbs" with dust.
On the other side we have to believe that :
- a book is true because it says it's true
- you're a self-proclaimed expert
- because you saw the holy spirit
- your quotes say what you think they say
Did you really think that you could convince someone with that kind of mumbo jumbo?

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ScottRP
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Message 847 of 1310 (767357)
08-28-2015 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 846 by Bliyaal
08-28-2015 2:14 PM


"Dust orbs" are not the orbs that I am referring to in this thread. Evidence cannot and has not been presented replicating with dust any of the photographs that I have shown.
The only way the Holy Spirit can be identified is with the Bible. There is no other valid standard to go by. If you do not believe in the Bible, you are not going to believe in the Holy Spirit and you will not believe anything I present to you to be the Holy Spirit. So you can quit your bullshit and stop playing games. You a loser who will be in hell if you don't change your ways and that is that. End of story.
- tough love
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

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Bliyaal
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Message 848 of 1310 (767359)
08-28-2015 2:54 PM
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08-28-2015 2:30 PM


Unwarranted personal insults aside, what are you doing here exactly? You're trying to convince unbelievers by telling them they won't believe you if they don't believe your prefered version of the bible first. Who is talking bullshit again?
You were presented evidence of orbs made by dust, you just refused to look or hand waived it.

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Bliyaal
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Message 849 of 1310 (767361)
08-28-2015 3:00 PM
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08-28-2015 2:30 PM


Oh I forgot...
You a loser who will be in hell if you don't change your ways
Allow me to quote an authority figure who has the generosity to debate on this very thread :
ScottRP writes:
Prove it.

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ScottRP
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Message 850 of 1310 (767367)
08-28-2015 4:21 PM
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08-28-2015 2:54 PM


quote:
You were presented evidence of orbs made by dust, you just refused to look or hand waived it.
Message number?...please.
The photographs that I have shown cannot be replicated with dust.
Do you really believe that I am so stupid to be calling dust the Holy Spirit? Give it a rest.

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NoNukes
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Message 851 of 1310 (767385)
08-28-2015 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by ScottRP
08-28-2015 4:21 PM


Do you really believe that I am so stupid to be calling dust the Holy Spirit?
Nah. Too easy.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 852 of 1310 (767387)
08-28-2015 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by ScottRP
08-28-2015 4:21 PM


Some dust orbs
http://www.angelsghosts.com/...false_ghost_pictures_examples
Emphasis added by me:
quote:
Kathy Owen from Bodfish, California and founder of Lake Isabella Paranormal Society sent us her and her group's following experiments in creating false orb ghost pictures, produced by dust in front of the camera lens. Many people do not understand that we are surrounded by dust that is very small to the eye. If a person looks into a ray of sun coming in through a window, dust particles floating around in the light can easily be observed. The camera lens can still "see" this dust when it is right in front of the lens and the camera flash illuminates it. The camera's flash will reflect off of dust that is close to it, and will create little balls of light - orbs. Many times, dust orbs will sometimes have a center to them, indicating the point of reflection. We use the term "dust" loosely as other airborne particles, like moisture, pollen, and lint, will also produce balls of light (false orbs -not ghosts) in ghost pictures.
The truth about orbs!
quote:
ES! Just take your digital camera (for fast results) outside and throw some dust out in from of the lens and presto, multiple orbs will appear in the picture! Note; the dust has to be within 4 inches of the lens to appear as orbs in the photo. You can also take a spray bottle to simulate humidity and spray directly out in from of the lens. Result will once again be multiple orbs. Our conclusions are that dust particles reflect light from the flash and appear as perfectly round balls of light in the photo. Try it!
The link below is to pics of fake orbs
The truth about orbs - Photos!
More orbs and other effects identified as water and dust
Photo Anomalies And Orbs -

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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ringo
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Message 853 of 1310 (767438)
08-29-2015 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 843 by ScottRP
08-28-2015 1:37 PM


ScottRP writes:
I do not need to tell you how to tell the difference. I would suggest you leave that up to the experienced eye.
If I show you two photos, could your "experienced eye" tell which one is the Holy Spirit and which one is dust?

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ScottRP
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From: Tustin, California USA
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Message 854 of 1310 (767454)
08-29-2015 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 852 by NoNukes
08-28-2015 6:02 PM


Re: Some dust orbs
The work that you have quoted is written by people who have never seen a real spirit orb in their lives...they are not reliable. None of the photographs that I have shown in this thread are "dust orbs". If fact, very few of the orb photographs on the entire internet are dust. Why don't you bring up all the people who really have seen spiritual orbs and believe them to be a real spiritual entity such as spirit orbs and angel orbs. These people would know a lot more than someone who has no experience. Some people who haven't seen them for themselves believe that they are dust. These people know nothing. What we have here is a matter of the blind leading the blind. I on the other hand will lead you to the truth. Try looking at this video and you will see flying orbs and the face of a spirit in one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4
Here are two photographs of a spirit flying in an orb that was taken from the video.
It can clearly be seen that orbs are not dust, but something spiritual.

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ScottRP
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Message 855 of 1310 (767457)
08-29-2015 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 853 by ringo
08-29-2015 12:06 PM


Yes. That is not to say that you or the person who took the photo would know the difference though.

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