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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
Faith 
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Message 1756 of 1939 (760823)
06-25-2015 10:05 PM
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06-25-2015 9:55 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
I hope someone who DOES have a good intuitive sense of reality comes along and sets you straight but this is your place so I won't hold my breath. It is absurd to think any strata ever formed on a slope. Even if it's possible. Absurd.

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Message 1757 of 1939 (760824)
06-25-2015 10:13 PM
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Re: sedimentation on slope
I'm trying to insure that this thread in which so many have invested so much can resume discussion of the topic by making sure you're able to assure yourself of the way sediments are really deposited.
Invested so much? I think the investments were wasted.
Faith has stated many times that she does not follow the evidence, but follows belief instead. No matter the quality or amount of the evidence, it is to be denied if it contradicts her a priori belief system.
Reading this and other threads has indeed been a lesson in abnormal psychology. The adamantly maintained but flimsily supported belief-system--maintained in spite of the huge amounts of evidence that have been patiently supplied to contradict it--can only be described as anti-rational. All the efforts of a great many posters to present evidence have had no positive result.
Can we admit now that this is and has been a huge waste of time?

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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
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Faith 
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Message 1758 of 1939 (760827)
06-25-2015 10:32 PM
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06-25-2015 10:13 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
I do NOT argue on the basis of faith and I DO argue from the evidence. I don't care if it's a waste of time to you or not, you can ignore it if you want, but stop lying about what I'm doing.

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Coyote
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Message 1759 of 1939 (760828)
06-25-2015 10:44 PM
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06-25-2015 10:32 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
I do NOT argue on the basis of faith and I DO argue from the evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 1760 of 1939 (760837)
06-26-2015 8:01 AM
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06-25-2015 10:05 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Faith writes:
I hope someone who DOES have a good intuitive sense of reality comes along and sets you straight but this is your place so I won't hold my breath. It is absurd to think any strata ever formed on a slope. Even if it's possible. Absurd.
But did you perform the thought experiment? If sand falling on a slope always rolled all the way to the bottom, how could slopes of sand ever form? If water behaved like sand then you could have piles of water, but you can't, because water doesn't behave like sand. And if sand behaved like water then you could never have piles of sand, but you can, because sand doesn't behave like water.
Here's an experiment you can perform right now without any assistance, and you'll be able to reuse the sand. Place a sheet of paper on a table. Put some sand into a cup. Pour the sand slowly onto the center of the piece of paper until a pile forms. All sand on the surface of the pile is sand that did not roll all the way to the bottom of the pile, even though it fell on a slope. Note that this is the same procedure you would use for the dry angle-of-repose experiment, so measure the angle. Do you have a protractor?
When done you can replace the sand in the container.
Since you plan to use clay as a surface, it seems possible that if the clay is very slippery that the sand will slide down it, so make sure the surface of the clay isn't so slick that sand can't stick to it. An easier way to create a sloped surface is to take a large floor tile and prop up one end. Be sure it's upside down so that the rough bottom surface faces upward. A paving brick or even a full width brick would also serve.

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jar
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Message 1761 of 1939 (760838)
06-26-2015 8:11 AM
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06-26-2015 8:01 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
an even easier experiment might be to just look around.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 1762 of 1939 (760839)
06-26-2015 8:13 AM
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06-26-2015 8:01 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
I thought of all that a long time ago. You have pretty much destroyed what was going to be a fun time with my family. I propose that YOU do the experiment and I'll do something else with my family.

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Message 1763 of 1939 (760844)
06-26-2015 8:26 AM
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06-26-2015 8:13 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Faith writes:
I thought of all that a long time ago.
And how did your thoughts imagine that sand could form a pile with a slope if each new grain of sand rolled all the way to the bottom?

--Percy
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JonF
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Message 1764 of 1939 (760853)
06-26-2015 9:11 AM
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06-25-2015 10:05 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
I hope someone who DOES have a good intuitive sense of reality comes along and sets you straight
Ah, you finally admit you do not have a good sense of reality.
Nice to see you admit it at last.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1765 of 1939 (760857)
06-26-2015 10:04 AM
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06-26-2015 9:11 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Such little twisty word games seem to please so many here you'd think it was a legitimate mode of debate.

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Message 1766 of 1939 (760860)
06-26-2015 10:41 AM
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06-26-2015 10:04 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
It's preferable to unsupported claims from ignorant and incompetent people.
Not that I have any particular person in mind.

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Message 1767 of 1939 (760865)
06-26-2015 10:56 AM
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06-26-2015 10:41 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
It's preferable to unsupported claims from ignorant and incompetent people.
Not that I have any particular person in mind.
The temptation is great.
Give me strength.

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Message 1768 of 1939 (760879)
06-26-2015 11:26 AM
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06-26-2015 10:56 AM


Re: sedimentation on slope
I've noticed when traveling that wherever there is a slope it is always bare with no sediment at all. It's obvious that strata cannot form where there is no soil or sediment possible.
But I still have to push the lawn mower up the nonexistent strata it seems.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1769 of 1939 (760895)
06-26-2015 12:04 PM


Moderator Clarification
Some of the recent posts could be interpreted as rebuttals to the position that slopes of sedimentary layers can't exist, so I'll just clarify that that isn't Faith's position. Her position is that sedimentary layers are always deposited horizontally and only tilted later by tectonic forces, and that sedimentary layers cannot be deposited upon a sloped surface.
What these recent posts are actually noting is that if sediments cannot deposit upon sloped surfaces then no slope of sand or dirt could ever form anywhere, which is, of course, absurd.
The hope is that the experiments Faith plans to perform will convince her that sedimentary layers can indeed form upon sloped surfaces, allowing discussion of the thread's original topic to proceed.

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ringo
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Message 1770 of 1939 (760904)
06-26-2015 12:29 PM
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06-25-2015 10:05 PM


Re: sedimentation on slope
Faith writes:
It is absurd to think any strata ever formed on a slope. Even if it's possible.
You seem to be setting up the experiment for failure. Even if you see it happening with your own eyes, you've already concluded that it DIDN'T happen historically.

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