Presbyterian Church approves of same-sex marriages

The Presbyterian Church (USA) has changed its constitution to define marriage as "Marriage involves a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman, to love and support each other for the rest of their lives."There are almost two million Presbyterians in the US and while this change does not require that a church perform same-sex marriages it does allow that.The important point is that you cannot get much more Protestant Christian than the Presbyterian Church.

Inevitable progress, I suppose. You have mentioned before that you think that Christians need to try and do their best to eliminate bigotry and prejudice, and i agree. My questions, on this subject..are these:1) Apart from Jesus, why should a male limit his commitment to only one other male? Should not a member of the "Body" of Christ strive to commit to everyone in the body rather than simply one person?2) What rules does your club have? What recommendations might a Priest or Reverand have for a soon-to-be-married couple and also, why not emphasize to all that Jesus should be our main love interest?

I'm sorry but I don't have a clue what you are talking about. So you are saying Jesus should shag all the guys. Got it. I can tell you that anyone making such a silly statement would just be greeted with laughter and rightly so.

are you that dense? Do you not know the difference between flesh and Spirit? Honestly, jar I think your intellect prevents you from understanding the simplicity of Christian concepts...which you somehow regard as "silly". sheesh

Lets try this again.In my opinion, when a male limits his love to only one other male, he is basically becoming idolatrous...avoiding Jesus...and living "in the flesh".You do know the meaning of living in the flesh, I hope. (seeing as how you claim to have read the Bible)Any two people...of whatever gender combination...have a legal right to get married, but there must be a spiritual purpose to the communion.Again, you do understand spirit, I trust. (Seeing as how you claim to have read the Bible)

I don't doubt that you believe such utter nonsense and thanks for the laugh.Why should there be any spiritual purpose to anything (whatever "spiritual purpose" is supposed to mean)?

Are you trying to denigrate a male-male marriage by saying that it means that the male is limiting his love to one male, and therefore no longer loving Jesus?Why doesn't that happen when a woman marries a man?Why can't the man love his husband and also love Jesus?

No. Im saying that any two people should be committed to God first...before each other. It can happen. He can. My point is that if a man and woman get married, the purpose is to raise a family. Two men have no such restriction and should not have a need to focus exclusively on each other.

Not this same old "marriage is for children" bullshit again Phat. So you're saying an infertile couple shouldn't get married? Two men/women can raise a family as well.

These gay men are raising families: Let me get this straight.A man and a woman can get married, as they are going to raise a family, so they can still love god first.But two men can somehow not raise a family, which means that need to focus exclusively on each other, and therefore they cannot love god first?Is that what you are trying to say?

I'm sorry but that is just nonsense. Why can't unmarried couples raise a family or married couples have no intention of ever raising a family?

Again...they can. MY point is that even though anyone has or should have every legal right to marry whomsoever they want, a church has a primary obligation of joining people in communion with God first---before joining them with each other.My point was that in my opinion there is little need for two of the same gender to marry since it is selfish to focus on each other to the exclusion of others. The order of communion should be this:
1) To God
2) To OthersLoving ones partner above either God or others is, in my opinion, selfish.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Back to your communing with God nonsense. What does that even mean?What does it have to do with marriage anyway?

I can't make the connection between gay marriage and focusing on each other to the exclusion of others.How'd you do it?

Why is it selfish for two gay people to get married and not for two straight people to get married?Confused at the difference. And why is it selfish to put a loved one first but not self to put your god first?