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Theodoric
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Message 196 of 232 (782960)
05-01-2016 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
04-29-2016 12:50 PM


Someone I know has been unable to access his email ever since he got WIndows 10 and all kinds of helpers have failed to solve the problem

Now that seems quite unlikely. Unless the person is using an antiquated email system there is no way this could happen. Have them contact me I will help resolve their issue.


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Percy
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Message 197 of 232 (782964)
05-01-2016 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Theodoric
05-01-2016 11:33 AM


Maybe they don't mean that he can't access new email messages, but that he can't access his old email folders. I can see this happening with Outlook. Their email folders are cloaked in mystery. I breath a sign of great relief every time I upgrade to a new Microsoft OS and I can connect to old email folders after reinstalling Outlook.

I'm not sure I trust the Microsoft claim that the upgrade to Windows 10 is transparent and that I won't have to reinstall and reconfigure my software. I need Apache, PHP, Perl, Apache, MySQL and Cygwin (for Linux emulation). A quick Google reveals problems with Apache after upgrading to Windows 10, I didn't check the other programs.

So I'm going to be very cautious and stay with Windows 7 for as long as I have this computer. My usual course of action when a computer begins to fail is buy a new one, then transfer all the data over and install all the programs again. I've been fortunate in that I haven't yet had a computer fail catastrophically, and all my important data is continually backed up to the Cloud anyway, so I should be able to survive a catastrophe.

Apparently Ubuntu runs native right alongside Windows 10, which will be very welcome when I finally do begin using Windows 10. Cygwin is mostly fine, but it has its idiosyncrasies. But I have to have XEmacs - without it I'm helpless.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 198 of 232 (782966)
05-01-2016 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Theodoric
05-01-2016 11:33 AM


I asked him again and got back a reply already. Yes, he had SBCGlobal and couldn't get to it at all after Windows 10 was installed, so switched to Outlook. I won't get to have much of a conversation with him for about a week now though.

Did send him your email.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 199 of 232 (782969)
05-01-2016 2:14 PM
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05-01-2016 1:24 PM


At&T often sucks but it's unlikely that was a Windows 10 issue. One of by sisters emal accounts is through sbcglobal since at the time DSL was all that was available out in the country and it continued working through transition to TimeWarner cable and Windows 10.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith
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Message 200 of 232 (784985)
05-26-2016 10:35 PM


Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
HBD asked the following on a debate thread so I decided I'd answer him over here:

HBD writes:

You updated to Windows 10, huh? I remember when you were debating about upgrading and I meant to advise against it, but didn't get the chance. How is it working out so far? I would guess you will probably want to upgrade your memory to the maximum your setup will allow in order to keep it from bogging down really bad.

Unless I accidentally clicked on something, and I'm completely unaware of doing so, I did not choose to upgrade to Windows 10. I got a message about a week ago saying it was about to upgrade, as if I'd asked it to. I tried to shut it down. After being away from the computer for a few hours I came back to find it installed. You could have heard my agony all the way to Michigan if you were paying attention.

But oddly enough it's turning out OK. Things aren't where I was used to finding them but they aren't hard to find. The only thing I haven't been able to find is my set of games, but they are very hard on my eyes so I'm glad to be rid of them. I hope I don't discover where tney are hiding out. Overall the system seems to be faster, which I would not have expected given that my computer is old, low power, and always was slow. Upgrade memory? Can you hear me laughing?

There is a voice-activated feature that I can't use because I don't have the necessary audio arrangement -- and let's put it this way: if I do have it hidden somewhere I don't want to find it.

Although I'm unhappy that this seems to have been done without my choosing, I'm not unhappy with the result. Strange but true.

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Message 201 of 232 (784993)
05-27-2016 12:21 AM
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05-26-2016 10:35 PM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
Microsoft have been pushing Windows 19 as a "recommended update' which means that it will install itself automatically in most computers - you have to actively work to stop it.

The intent of making recommended updates automatic was to get important security updates installed quickly and a lot of people think that Microsoft are misusing the system in this case.


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Message 202 of 232 (784994)
05-27-2016 1:04 AM
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05-26-2016 10:35 PM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
Here's what happened, as I can piece it together and as told from my own perspective and through my own experience.

I agreed to an upgrade, though I balked at initiating it for fear of ending up with a 16x16x7 paperweight. Windows 7 had been installed by the store and I didn't have any CD for it. Plus I had tried to run the Windows 10 compatibility test and the entire evolution devolved into Microsoft's attempt to follow itself up its own aft orifice -- it seemed very upset that their Internet Explorer was not my default browser. And of course all that filled me with the appropriate amount of confidence in the system.

Then early last week they announced that my upgrade would start on Thursday, 19 May, at 2300h. So I backed up what I could and left my computer on overnight. The next morning, Windows 10 had installed and for the most part everything is working. I'm not comfortable with the entire look-and-feel, since as retired military I prefer everything inside an ugly gray box (AKA "Windows Classic"). Every time I switch to a new version of Windows, I feel very hampered, like I cannot do anything useful anymore. It can take me a few years to work past that. Windows XP was great, once I switched from its ugly Fisher-Price user interface, so I wish that we still had that interface (especially the search function!). I have Windows 8.1 on a laptop and it is exactly like Apple software: it reminds me that I still keep my hair cut very short so I don't rip it all out in frustration.

But, Windows 10, so far OK.

The only thing I haven't been able to find is my set of games, but they are very hard on my eyes so I'm glad to be rid of them. I hope I don't discover where tney are hiding out

Yeah, I used to play Freecell so much I just created a desktop shortcut for it. Gone. It looks like they've gotten rid of all their own games and instead point you to some games vendors. All for the better, since this way I won't be wasting so much time on a game and can spend more time updating my creation/evolution pages (http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/ -- I'm currently updating my page on Kent Hovind's bogus solar-mass-loss claim).

There is a voice-activated feature that I can't use because I don't have the necessary audio arrangement -- and let's put it this way: if I do have it hidden somewhere I don't want to find it.

That would be Cortana, which is Microsoft's answer to Siri. Yes, you can hide it. Also, you can type in your query rather than deliver it verbally. Play with her and decide whether she can do the job or not.

Cortana is also on my phone (Windows 8.1 -- absolutely hate it on a laptop, but it works well on a phone). I've asked her a few questions and she would always respond with some totally unrelated links. So I asked her, "Hey, Cortana. Do you always change the subject?" And she completely changed the subject. OK, so now I know exactly where I stand. No, I hardly ever talk to her at all.

I have a new car that links to my phone via BlueTooth. It has its own "Bitching Betty" (standard Naval terminology for a user interface that employs a female voice (which, according to "The Andromeda Strain", is fairly standard since pilots respond better to a female voice, though a local radio DJ would disagree -- see below). My car's "Bitching Betty" does such a poor job of understanding me that I just don't use her. But when my phone receives a text, the car will play it for me and then Cortana will take dictation as I give my reply. Cortana takes dictation far better than Bitching Betty ever did.

So if you were to ever get a microphone or headset, you might want to give Cortana a try. Also, there's a speech recognition feature since Win7 or possibly earlier in which you can speak your text instead of just typing it in. I don't think that such audio hardware is very expensive. Just a thought.

Andromeda Strain and that local DJ. One of the more fascinating aspects of Michael Crichton's first well-known novel was his inclusion of various scientific and government studies supporting the premises of his novel, even though I'm sure he had made up most of them (eg, the "Odd Man Hypothesis" which most married men would immediately recognize as absolutely true).

One such study had supposedly found that both men and women respond more readily to a female voice, so the decision had been made to use a female voice in all such interfaces, such as in fighter jet cockpits. Different information about that from actual fighter pilots in Vietnam revealed that they were being so bombarded by sensory inputs that their brains literally started ignoring most of it. A classic case was an American pilot shot down over Vietnam who had no idea whatsoever that there was a bandit on his tail, and yet in the recordings we can plainly hear his wing-man warn him repeatedly of the bandit who was on his tail.

Then a few or more years ago one morning on a local radio show, we heard of a conflicting study. The DJ was informed of a study that women's voices operated in a frequency range that men just do not hear. So on the air he called his wife to tell her that this study explains everything. She had been asleep, so his call woke her up. Excitedly, he explained everything to her. All she did was to hang up on him. Every single married man in the area knew that he was a dead man walking.

Other than that, Faith, some of what you knew may still be there. Yes, you are now supposed to work through the Settings dialogs, but you can still access the Control Panel if that is easier for you.

The future has snuck up on us yet again! Maybe we can get it to work.


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Faith
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Message 203 of 232 (784995)
05-27-2016 1:34 AM
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05-27-2016 1:04 AM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
A reassuring story since it has similarities to mine, particularly the automatic installation. Here for probably a year I'd been x-ing out every recommendation box that popped up, and they even plastered it over my Netflix film that froze it in its tracks so I kept having to resort to rebooting. So I started watching Netflix on Chrome which didn't have that problem, and then they just up and install the thing anyway. About the same time they installed yours.

Oh well, it seems to be OK with you too. I guess it's a decent enough program. Yes, every forced change in my computer habits has been traumatic, but this one has been somewhat easier.

Freecell, Spider Solitaire, Hearts, Mahjong Titans -- all gone gone gone (totally addicted to Mahjong but it's caused observable deterioration in my eyesight so I'm glad they took it away from me.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 204 of 232 (785011)
05-27-2016 10:07 AM
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05-27-2016 1:04 AM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
I don't know if Windows 10 has the same flexibility as Windows 7, but Windows 7 can be configured to look and behave pretty much like Windows XP.

Much of the development software I use is pretty fragile and old. I'm not planning to upgrade to Windows 10 on this machine. My plan is to at some point in the future purchase a new Windows 10 machine and get everything working on it and transferred over (takes about a week, including testing) before "decommissioning" the old machine.

If I'm automatically upgraded to Windows 10, well, I just hope that doesn't happen. The "Upgrade to Windows 10" popup comes up every few days and I just click it off.

I work on a Mac, too, and I just got my first uninvited install of ad software a couple days ago. Completely fooled me, wasn't expecting it. A popup asked if I wanted to upgrade to the latest Flash software, and if I was on my Windows machine I would have thought about it, but I was on the Mac which has never even had an invasion attempt before, so I clicked yes. Before I knew it ad software had been installed. Fortunately it was easy to get rid of, it was listed in the Applications folder and I just deleted it.

The popup came from a webpage I visited about the Civil War.

--Percy


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Message 205 of 232 (785021)
05-27-2016 10:58 AM
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05-27-2016 10:07 AM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
Percy, to make sure that does not happen just uninstall the update that controls it. It is update KB3035583.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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dwise1
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Message 206 of 232 (785063)
05-27-2016 1:47 PM
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05-27-2016 10:07 AM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
I don't know if Windows 10 has the same flexibility as Windows 7, but Windows 7 can be configured to look and behave pretty much like Windows XP.

Well, the look and feel issue is just my resistance to change. And the command prompt window, CMD, is much harder to read which is a problem for me since that's where I do most of my C programming.

But I'm sure that Windows 10 has not fixed the big problem of how badly they broke the search utility when they went from XP to Win7 (I assume that the actual breaking was in Vista, which I completely bypassed). I'm sure that Microsoft's attitude is just like CompuServe's when it broke the interface and rendered it completely useless: "Look at all these improvements we're making! Who could possibly care that we're rendering it completely useless?"

Besides that, every time they come out with a new version we have to figure out where they're hiding this time everything that you need to access. Troubleshooting network issues was easy with XP, but horribly difficult with Win7. Though if Win10's Settings doesn't work for you, you can still use it to find the Control Panel.


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Percy
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Message 207 of 232 (785074)
05-27-2016 2:39 PM
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05-27-2016 1:47 PM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
dwise1 writes:

And the command prompt window, CMD, is much harder to read which is a problem for me since that's where I do most of my C programming.

Are you already using the largest cmd window font size?

--Percy


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Message 208 of 232 (785079)
05-27-2016 3:14 PM
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05-27-2016 2:39 PM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
Went into the properties and that did it. Thanks.
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Message 209 of 232 (785210)
05-29-2016 11:47 PM
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05-27-2016 12:21 AM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
Microsoft have been pushing Windows 19 as a "recommended update' which means that it will install itself automatically in most computers - you have to actively work to stop it.

A couple of weeks ago, Microsoft changed one those installation reminder popups so that there was no, non subtle way to avoid granting permission to install Windows 10. In fact, closing on the little "X" in the upper window also scheduled an installation. A few days later after receiving numerous complaints and after a bunch of bad press, Microsoft backed off and changed the popup to something more reasonable.


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Stile
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Message 210 of 232 (785221)
05-30-2016 3:40 PM
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05-27-2016 1:47 PM


Re: Windows 10 seems to have installed itself without my permission
dwise1 writes:

But I'm sure that Windows 10 has not fixed the big problem of how badly they broke the search utility when they went from XP to Win7

All I've ever noticed is that the Win 7 search function is basically useless when used on "My Computer".

But... if I ever used it on, say, "Drive C" or some other specific folder... I found the Win7 search to be much better and faster than the WinXP search ever was.

Which does make it very annoying when searching for something on multiple drives or anything like that... but, meh, such is rare for me.

Is there something specific you're talking about that is broken with it? Just wondering if all my searches are missing something


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