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Author Topic:   Discontinuing research about ID
Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 155 of 393 (756006)
04-14-2015 5:06 PM


Questions (without talking about the math)
Okay, so I am extremely confused by the premise of your paper. There are several questions that reading through it has brought up, even without getting into the mathematics contained in your paper. That being said, let's see if you can offer some explanation to sort out these questions. Since it won't even involve the maths, we can focus on plain English/water cooler explanations.
The first question comes up, just reading through your abstract:
Deubreuil writes:
Prompted by previous research results human decision processes were analysed for unconscious patterns.
So, if we are looking for an unconscious pattern within the structure of ST:TNG, as you are, we would also need verification that this same unconscious pattern is apparent in, if not all, many other television shows. Not only that, but we would also have to ensure that this pattern is not a residual effect of industry standards and protocols. Have you compared your pattern to other show types to see if the pattern holds true? What about the Simpsons? There is a consistent pattern within that franchise of always including an opening segment that, while leading into the major storyline, has very little to do with the major plot points that will occur within the rest of the story. Or does it require the same hour long format? if so, how about we look for the same pattern within something like Stargate SG-1? If this is an unconscious pattern in human thought, than the concordance should not be present in only ST:TNG, but should make similar appearances in multiple shows, since all shows were, ya know, created by humans who would share this unconscious pattern.
Another point of contention is your statement:
Deubreuil writes:
The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause
What is your criteria for determining which objects have an intelligent cause and which do not, since you only mention that certain features are best explained this way? Do you include examples of unintelligent design, such as the recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes? Your explanation must be able to determine which items were designed and which were not, otherwise you are simply adding an ad-hoc "best" explanation that fits your preconceived biases.
You include that items should be black with a white object next to it as one of your criterion for the pattern in ST:TNG, how do you determine when this pattern occurs in the Biblical text when you compare that to this pattern? The Bible is specifically a book of words, with different interpretations of it coming out all the time. What you may see as black and white objects, another may see as something completely different. How did you determine which version of the Bible and which interpretations of the text were your sources? If they were simply your viewing of the text, how did you control for your personal bias when analyzing the situations?
Also, in your section analyzing Biblical text, you seem to be cherry picking only the areas that agree with your predetermined pattern, why? If this is an unconscious human motivation to write stories in this pattern, why are so many Bible sections missing from your review? If they don't follow the same pattern, why are you not including the misses in your calculations? An unconscious motivation would force more elements of the story to fit into your supposed template, yet out of the 66 books of the bible, you were only able to find a similar (not identical, but similar) pattern in 27 of them. Combine that with the obviously missing season 2 of ST:TNG (Why remove it because the cast changed, your claim has nothing to do with specific cast members, but with the storytelling of humans. The individual playing the part is not the key to your pattern) and I wonder whether this pattern is only something you are cherry picking data to fit.
Finally....getting to the Triune God.
Nowhere in your paper did I once see a disproving of Zeus, Thor, FSM, Satan, nor any of the other myriad of Gods that humanity has created over time. How did you make the leap from the pattern to the specific Judeo-Christian God? Is it because of your comparison with the Bible? If so, how does this prove Triune God more so than consistent means of storytelling in human history? After all, both the Bible and ST:TNG are examples of storytelling by humans, how does their similarity relate not only to a Deity, but specifically to the Christian god?

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