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Author Topic:   Movie - "The Principle"
NoNukes
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Message 28 of 120 (760228)
06-18-2015 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Suzanne Romano
06-17-2015 11:09 PM


The Principle" provides a format with which to re-examine the modern cosmological assumptions, by publishing, in a visually stunning manner, the astonishing experimental data collected from recent large-scale surveys of the Universe, such as the Planck probe.
As long as the OP contains blatant advertising for a movie, I think it is only fair for me to point out that this movie's executive producer, Robert Sungenis, is a documented Holocaust Denier and anti-Semite.
Some Background on the New Geocentrists | Welcome to GeocentrismDebunked.org
quote:
For many years Sungenis promoted a wide range of Jewish conspiracy theories, including Holocaust denial (see especially here), on his web site and at other venues (see for example here, here, and here). He removed such material from his web site in late 2013 without comment. On November 23, 2013, he wrote regarding his anti-Jewish writings: I still have the same beliefs. That will never change, because I believe it is the truth. What will change is that I will not single out the Jewish people politically, culturally or in any like manner. If I should ever again write about the Jews, it will only be on a purely theological basis, and it will be said in the most non-offending manner I can muster. But to be completely open, with what has been revealed to me (and I cannot say what it is), I simply have no interest in dealing with the Jews ever again (link).
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't pay a single penny to help finance the views of this piece of human excrement. Your mileage may vary.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 37 of 120 (760302)
06-19-2015 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Suzanne Romano
06-19-2015 12:43 PM


I will let Sungenis answer for himself:
For anyone inclined to accept Sungenis answer, I submit that the truth regarding this man's anti-Semite positions is still readily available all over the internet. In many cases the full context of his remarks are available.
The people who do participate in this group are well equipped to do their own research, so I'll leave them to their own resources.
For those people who are interested in geocentricism and who are inclined to believe such a thing, there are plenty of resources other than this dirt bag's movie to be found on the internet.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 43 of 120 (760365)
06-20-2015 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Suzanne Romano
06-20-2015 7:14 PM


I believe Sungenis wrote an article about Jewish domination of the science establishment in Culture Wars magazine. If I can get a copy, may I post it here?
Then you can read exactly what the man has said.
That's certainly fair. And if I don't find your posting to be completely representative of everything Sungenis has said, I'm sure you won't mind if I post some additional material in response.
I suspect that an exchange of such material might derail your movie thread about "The Principle" considerably. You might want to consider opening a new thread on whether or not Sungenis is a Jew Bashing anti-Semite. I promise to keep my rebuttal to such a thread if it is opened.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 93 of 120 (761475)
07-01-2015 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Suzanne Romano
07-01-2015 12:10 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
According to Ernst Mach, though the huge mass of the Sun has a great force of gravity, the combined masses of the stars have a corresponding force of gravity, which influences other bodies in the universe.
While this is true, it is a gross misstatement of Mach's principle to suggest that the gravitational forces of those bodies is responsible for the movement of the bodies in the solar system. Mach never said anything like that.
Pure garbage.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 99 of 120 (761523)
07-02-2015 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Percy
07-01-2015 5:39 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
Oh, no you didn't. In your proposal for a discussion thread you said you wanted to provide information, presumably as the starting point for a discussion, since that's the only reason people compose thread proposals.
She did provide an early message saying that she was here to promote and discuss. You may have missed it as she was responding to a question from Dr. Adequate.
Unfortunately, she isn't in a position to defend GWW in a serious debate and she has found a tough audience. There are people around who can do a much better job of defending the concepts. As JonF suggested, these people do have answers to most questions with the exception of questions of the type 'how come you cannot do any science without falling back to conventional viewpoints?' Most of those answers involve some version of Mach's Principle which is a very vague idea for which even Mach never provided any math or formalization. Supposedly the principle was part of Einstein's inspiration in coming up with general relativity.
Unsurprisingly, we're interested in what the evidence indicates is likely true.
We're interested in the silly stuff too! We just are not going to adopt much of it!
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 111 of 120 (761579)
07-02-2015 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Suzanne Romano
07-02-2015 6:15 PM


Re: PERCY'S MATH EXHIBIT
That's just not good science because I can go outside at night and see numberless twinkling objects; and if I do it every night for a year I notice they all move together as a whole, as a unity, as a "one;" and they do it the same way every single year, as they have for millennia.
Except that your observation is not correct is it? The stars do not move together as one, and observations of the stars show that the constellations and asterisms do vary over time until they become unrecognizable.
You don't have to take Percy's math at face value. The problem for you though is that using the math and applying it to all of the larger bodies in the solar system is enough to explain their motions entirely. Just as a spinning earth and with distant stars easily explains everything we see.
In any event, I am glad to see you still here even after realizing that you cannot promote GWW very easily. Now if we can manage to engage you in an argument or two...
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 115 of 120 (761600)
07-02-2015 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Suzanne Romano
07-02-2015 6:03 PM


Re: VERBAL SPAM - WROTE IT MESELF
Now there is no movement in God. His Being (Pure Act), and therefore His Truth, are immutable.
Really? So when the Bible says things like:
quote:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
You are wise enough not to take the 'moved' as literal. Yet when you read...
quote:
And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day
it is somehow clear that such statements must be taken literally to the exclusion of all reason.
The truth of the matter is that the Bible contains a number of passages in which God changes his mind about something or when a circumstance or another causes God to move. I don't believe that your citation of the Bible here shows any real truth or consistency. What we have here instead is just navel gazing.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 117 of 120 (761604)
07-03-2015 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Suzanne Romano
07-02-2015 8:12 PM


Re: PERCY'S MATH EXHIBIT
Yes Phat, I am cantatedomino and I am banned from cathinfo forum for taking Bishop Richard Williamson to task in a not so nice way. You will not be able to read the offending comments because they were deleted.
Nonetheless, the stuff we can read there is quite bizarre in its own way. Including a rant about the evil of electricity and electromagnetism all hosted on an internet web page and no doubt uploaded from your own computer. How you avoided the irony angels with that missive is probably a story worth telling twice.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 120 of 120 (761628)
07-03-2015 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Dr Adequate
07-03-2015 12:23 AM


Re: "Truly Obscene Speeds"
Geocentrism turns the entire night sky into one great kaleidoscope of velocitudinous pornography. Shame on you, lewd hussy!
DA,
This stuff is just plain prurient interest appealing and nasty. I hope you don't eat with same hand with which you typed this filth. If Papa Adequate knew...
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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