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JonF
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Message 72 of 120 (761411)
07-01-2015 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by New Cat's Eye
06-30-2015 4:45 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
Any thoughts on the mass of the sun being waaay too huge for it to revolve around the Earth?
Some idiot posted a video on YouTube "demonstrating" that the Sun ls less massive than the Earth. Bob Sungenis, the leader of the geocentrist wackos, fell for it and praised it to the sky. Until somebody pointed out that it was risible nonsense.
Amusing reading:
The Simple and Scary Mindset of Robert Sungenis
Sungenis Followers Double Down

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JonF
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Message 84 of 120 (761449)
07-01-2015 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Suzanne Romano
07-01-2015 12:10 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
It is impossible for the Earth to be the center of mass and be stationary. The planets move; therefore the center of mass of the solar system moves. Note that the center of mass is not the point at which all gravitational forces cancel out. For example, the Sun-Jupiter system (from the first reference below):
The L1 point is the point where the Sun's and Jupiter's gravity cancel out. Far from the center of mass.
References:
As the Universe Turns
Dialogue on the Center of Mass of the Universe, Part 1
Dialogue on the Center of Mass of the Universe, Part 2
Claims that Mach's principle and the gravitational force of the rest of the universe overpower the gravity within the solar system must be accompanied by calculations. That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. — Christopher Hitchens.
But we do not live in a two body universe; wherefore Newton's law of two bodies cannot accurately measure reality.
No model can measure reality absolutely accurately. But Newton's laws (which apply to any number of bodies, whether or not an analytic solution can be obtained) measure reality accurately enough for the masses and velocities found in the Solar system. If you want to demonstrate that Newton's laws are not sufficiently accurate, show us the calculations.
As if you could.

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JonF
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Message 86 of 120 (761451)
07-01-2015 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Suzanne Romano
07-01-2015 1:02 PM


Re: Galileo Was Wrong...about circular planetary orbits
Mach's principle has not been established as part of any model of the Universe. It may or may not be valid. The jury is still out.
Of course, you could present the evidence that Thirring's paper is relevant.

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