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Message 31 of 41 (762131)
07-09-2015 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Rocky.C
07-09-2015 7:53 AM


See Message 27

More Gish Gallop Pratts just shows ignorance, and failure to reply to other posts just shows you actually have no argument.

If you want to discuss evolution, please take what you think is your best argument against evolution and start a new thread.

See Proposed New Topics to post new topics.

Enjoy

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Message 32 of 41 (762139)
07-09-2015 8:46 AM


This is not a Discussion Thread
This thread is in the Links and Information forum, which is not a discussion forum. If anyone would like to have a discussion about the link posted in Message 1 then they should propose a new topic over at Proposed New Topics.

Please, no more posts to this thread unless it's to add more links and/or information directly relevant to the link posted in Message 1.


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Message 33 of 41 (762172)
07-09-2015 1:55 PM
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07-09-2015 7:53 AM


If living things look as though they were designed, how do evolutionists know they were not designed?

They look at the evidence. To you this may seem like a radical idea, but to scientists it's the obvious thing to do.


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Message 34 of 41 (762173)
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Re: This is not a Discussion Thread
Oops, didn't read your post before replying. OK.
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Message 35 of 41 (762183)
07-09-2015 2:40 PM
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07-09-2015 1:55 PM


What evidence do you speak of? We both have the same evidence and I see nothing that suggests evolution is even slightly possible. And neither do these scientists; many of whom were atheists or agnostics;

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it."

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." Note: Tipler since has actually converted to Christianity.

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science."

Antony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design."

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique."

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."

Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word."

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."

More quotes are at:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html

Remember Romans 1: 19-23

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

Come on man, open your eyes. Don't shut out what is in plain sight.


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Message 36 of 41 (762290)
07-10-2015 12:44 PM
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07-04-2015 12:44 PM


OPP'S

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 37 of 41 (762300)
07-10-2015 3:25 PM
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07-09-2015 2:40 PM


Rocky.C -- see new thread
Please see Rocky.C versus evolution science: what is his best argument?

It has now been promoted, so you can post and respond to replies on that thread now.

Enjoy

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Message 38 of 41 (762301)
07-10-2015 3:26 PM
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07-09-2015 8:46 AM


Re: This is not a Discussion Thread
Please see Rocky.C versus evolution science: what is his best argument?

I have started a new thread for discussion of Rocky.C's posts and await his participation

Enjoy

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Message 39 of 41 (762303)
07-10-2015 4:04 PM
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Since we have been told that this is not a discussion thread, please post your favorite bit of creationist nonsense on the thread that RAZD has provided for you.
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07-10-2015 8:19 PM


Discussion Thread Promoted
The thread for discussing Rocky.C's views has been promoted: Rocky.C versus evolution science: what is his best argument?

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Message 41 of 41 (762336)
07-11-2015 6:31 AM
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07-02-2015 5:27 PM


I don't believe you had a many times great ancestor called Common Sense. I does not seem very plausible to name a child after an aphorism. Ironically that does not make sense.

ABE: oops, sorry Percy.

Edited by Larni, : I just saw Percy's message.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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