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Author Topic:   Gerrymandering: Another Good Supreme Court Decision
Coragyps
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Message 31 of 38 (761694)
07-04-2015 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by vimesey
07-04-2015 5:43 AM


Re: Quick question
It's been pretty political for a long time - Roosevelt appointed extra judges back in the 1930s so that he could get decisions to go his way.

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NoNukes
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Message 32 of 38 (761698)
07-04-2015 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Coragyps
07-04-2015 11:36 AM


Re: Quick question
It's been pretty political for a long time - Roosevelt appointed extra judges back in the 1930s so that he could get decisions to go his way.
The era you refer to is one of extreme partisan politics by the Supreme Court, but Roosevelt did not actually appoint any extra judges. He asked the legislature for the power to do so. The Supreme Court responded by ceasing to issue their totally partisan rulings. Ultimately the bill allowing the president the power to appoint more judges did not pass.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
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NoNukes
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Message 33 of 38 (761699)
07-04-2015 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
07-04-2015 3:06 AM


In the UK the judiciary are completely independent of government.
I would suggest that in the US, the federal judiciary is just as independent of the government. The other branches of government can rail all they want about the decisions judges and Justices make, but they have no power to punish them or to influence their decisions. Judges, once appointed, hold their positions for life. Impeachment is a complete rarity. On constitutional matters, the SC has the last say.
It is the involvement of politics in the selection of judges that is the difference.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 34 of 38 (761700)
07-04-2015 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Jon
07-04-2015 8:24 AM


How does the Supreme Court enforce their judgments?
Enforcement is not a judicial function. All judges can do is write more judgments. The executive branch carries out the functions of government.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 35 of 38 (761703)
07-04-2015 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by vimesey
07-04-2015 5:43 AM


Re: Quick question
The constitution requires that the President appoint justices. I think they've always tried to put like minded Justices on the court, however there have been some very notable failures. Justice Stevens was appointed by Gerald Ford and Justice Souter was appointed by Bush Sr. Both turned out to be reliably liberal and both retired at a time when a Democrat (Obama) would select their replacements.
I don't think today's Court is at the height of its political involvement simply because of Kennedy's evolving to be the swing vote. We seem to get a reasonable mix of conservative and liberal opinions with a surprising slight edge to liberal opinions this term.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Jon
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Message 36 of 38 (761704)
07-04-2015 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by NoNukes
07-04-2015 12:42 PM


Why does the 'executive branch' (which is just a fancy way of saying 'the people with the guns') do what the judiciary says?
And what do we call it when they don't?

Love your enemies!

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NoNukes
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Message 37 of 38 (761705)
07-04-2015 1:38 PM
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07-04-2015 1:25 PM


Why does the 'executive branch' (which is just a fancy way of saying 'the people with the guns') do what the judiciary says?
Take a civics class Jon. It is your position that the judiciary's enforcement process is of some relevance to this discussion.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 38 of 38 (761725)
07-04-2015 5:05 PM


Terminally off-topic?
I think that the Gerrymandering topic theme has a lot of interesting potential, but it has been abandoned.
How about getting back (more specifically) on-topic, and maybe someone start another "Coffee House" topic for other things judicial?
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

  
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