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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 1 of 149 (762058)
07-08-2015 3:32 AM


Every known reproduction process is made off by smalls evolutionary steps ( remember embryogenesis). From the Big Bang to the end of this Universe - the Big Birth - is occurring a reproductive process of the unknown thing that generated the Universe. The smalls evolutionary steps are about a unique natural system that is changing shape due the same force that makes a human body changing its shapes: the force of life's cycles.

So we had the atom system, the stellar, the galactic, the cell system and finally the self-conscious system( all these natural systems were our ancestrals). We have discovered that all these systems has a common formula ( which I will bring here in shape of algorithm), called Matrix/DNA, and the biological DNA is merely its last shape here and today.

I am challenging everybody to bring on here a unique real proved scientific fact that could debunk this new theory, because I am searching it everywhere, every new scientific paper or NASA's Images, in the last 30 years, and never found anything.

This new world view leaves doors opened to creationism and to materialism, my method of investigation/calculations can't go beyond the natural limits of universe's spacetime, so I don't know what's or who is the ex-machine creator. Then, this is the theory for agnostics, the third view that I think, has the right to participate in this debate also. Thanks by any criticism, questions, etc. ( I am American citizen but English is not my native language, so, any grammatical correction will be welcome).

Edited by Admin, : Fix title.


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Message 2 of 149 (762060)
07-08-2015 6:13 AM


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Thread copied here from the Thre is no evolution neither creationism - this is the new Matrix/DNA world view thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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07-08-2015 6:57 AM
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TheMatrix/DNA writes:

We have discovered that all these systems has a common formula ( which I will bring here in shape of algorithm),...

What's the algorithm?

--Percy


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Message 4 of 149 (762068)
07-08-2015 9:48 AM
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07-08-2015 3:32 AM


I am challenging everybody to bring on here a unique real proved scientific fact that could debunk this new theory, because I am searching it everywhere, every new scientific paper or NASA's Images, in the last 30 years, and never found anything.

Are you sure that isn't because it is unfalsifiable?


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Message 5 of 149 (762071)
07-08-2015 10:23 AM


What is the theory?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 6 of 149 (762072)
07-08-2015 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-08-2015 3:32 AM


Reproduction
Process
Evolutionary
Generated
System
Formula

Equivocation is not your friend.


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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 7 of 149 (762091)
07-09-2015 1:09 AM
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07-08-2015 6:57 AM


Testing
To Percy:

Some explanations:
1) This is a common pattern identified at all natural systems, from light waves to atoms to astronomicals to cells, etc.
2) The first time this formula appeared was in shape of a natural single wave of light. Each one of the seven frequencies/vibration states of a light wave is one of the seven function I can bring on the graphic showing how it works;
3) The formula is the algorithmic shape of the flow of energy/information that runs inside the systemic circuity connecting the parts of the system. Nature self-assembles systems applying the force of life's cycles upon an initial body containing mass, light and the energy carried by light. This force leads the body to change its shapes. Then, Nature connects seven different shapes of the same body, linking the end with the initial point of the circuity, closing the system;
4) Under the process of life's cycle. the body moves under the extensions space and time. The arrows represents the waves in time, the functions are the parts that represents the particles in space. So, if you see my avatar, the particles or parts are the figures of baby, woman, man, etc., and the age or time are the spaces between the figures.
5) For each existent natural system, each of its parts are located upon a function. So, for instance, a cell system: F1 is the nucleus, F2 is centromeres, F3 is robossome, F4 is mitochondria, F5 is the moving RNA's, F6 is the chloroplast, F7 is the lysosome. If you take the building block of astronomical systems, F1 is the central nucleus containing a quasar with a black hole, F2 is a baby-body or the nucleus of the new body, e3 is the planets, F4 is the pulsar, etc.
6) The Matrix formula is under evolution like our DNA, its first shape was a light wave and when it arrived at galaxies the formula became a closed system, as the formula above. Then, the system closed its door to evolution, was attacked by entropy, fragmented in its bits-information-photons, which are spreaded as seeds of life, rebuilding the formula as opened systems and in microscopy dimension.
7) All life's properties, included those at human bodies are seeing in the formula. Like the sexual reproductive process, the digestive system, the circulatory system, the principles of immune defense system, etc.
7) It seems a single formula but it contains all complexity existent today at any natural system in the universe. If you want know more details, fell free for asking.

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 8 of 149 (762093)
07-09-2015 2:02 AM
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07-09-2015 1:09 AM


Re: Testing
Just for fun, move all the words around into a different order and see if it makes any difference.
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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 9 of 149 (762094)
07-09-2015 2:26 AM
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07-08-2015 9:48 AM


To Cat Sci
quote:
Are you sure that isn't because it is unfalsifiable?

I think it is falsifiable, due:

1) The formula is a perfect template to all known natural systems, moving cycles of any elements, and explains the processes by which the most simplified systems ( like a light wave, a superparticle, an atom, etc) were transformed into the next more complex system. So, if someone finds a natural system which physical structure and internal mechanisms does not fit upon the formula, should be as someone finding a biological living being without RNA or DNA. In this case, the formula could be debunked;

2) In any way the whole theory touches metaphysics or anything beyond the observable universe. So, the theory is not dependable of some untouchable element or entity. It explains every natural phenomena or event inside the universe, and if someone find one, the theory could be debunked.

3) I tried to get knowledge of the most possible quantity of natural laws and mechanisms enrolled by human natural sciences, from physics to biology to neurology to geology, etc; and I have not found one single law that is not obeyed by the whole natural Universal History described by the theory. I am finding theoretical laws and mechanisms that are believed by the current mainstream, but, then, it is theory against theory - only new real proved fact could debunk the theory.

4) I believe that the logical reasoning in this world view is the most perfect existent. All known biological systems are based upon a common formula ( a base-pair of nucleotides which is the building blocks of RNA and DNA). This formula exists at biological systems because biological systems are merely an evolutionary step resulting from the evolution at micro and astronomical level. So, from atoms to galaxies, all are aligned in a unique evolutionary lineage. Then, the building blocks of DNA is a product of the building blocks of those ancestral systems, till the first shape of this systems that arose from the Big Bang. In another hand, the current academic paradigm or world view has broken the universal history into two blocks - cosmological evolution and biological evolution - without a n evolutionary link between the two blocks. One fatal result is that they are not getting to explain the origins of life, or the emergence of biological systems. Matrix/DNA has no such problem.

5) This formula can be reproduced in mechanical fashion by human beings in labs, and it it works, if the system acquire life by itself, the formula will be proved. I have ideas for experiments trying to do it.

7) There are more motives I believe it is falsifiable, but too long and complex to write it here.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 10 of 149 (762107)
07-09-2015 3:10 AM
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07-08-2015 10:23 AM


To Jar
quote:
What is the theory?.

Well... I have a website where I am exposing circa de 1800 evidences and right predictions made by the theory about 30 years ago. It is the narration of a history that takes 13,7 billion years carried by a unique natural formula brought inside any natural light wave emitted at the Big Bang. It is the Universal Natural History of a unique single natural system that was born 13,7 billion years ago and now and at our terrestrial level it is getting the shape of a conscious system.

The universe as a con-agglomerate of galaxies is not anything else than the ' placenta' inside which this system is developing, so, the universal process is like the embryogenesis of a human body. If such history is true, this system must have a kind of RNA/DNA, a genetic code, and for it I am introducing the Matrix/DNA formula showing how it can be reduced to a single working light wave.

This new world view did not come gratefully from the sky. It is result of 20 years of elaboration by extreme hard work, included seven years of observations at the heart of Amazon jungle where the witness of life's origins are still untouchable. And the last 30 years testing it.

This is not a case for believing or not, is a case for testing against real proved facts and natural events. I am extreme skeptical, I don't believe it is right and I don't believe it is wrong. But, I see it as extreme logical, rational, and if it is right, it will bring lots of beneficials to human kind.

The logics behind it began as an intuition at my high school times:
1) The first real complete living being was the first working cell and the cell was a complete working system;
2) All biological system known today were produced by a previous biological natural system and by the genetic process while the transference of a genetic code. This lineage is going from the simplest biological system towards the most complex;
Conclusion: The first living being or biological system was produced by a less evolutionary natural system, by genetic process and a less evolutionary genetic code. If we does not know which is/was this creator natural system, we must search for it. So I will put my hands at work from know searching for it. The best place must be a place with large genetic diversity, containing all elements of biosphere, and aniche not transformed/touched by superior animals or human beings. So, the best place that could keeping informations about this mysterious system is the heart of Amazon jungle.

If you find a fault in this intuition, pleas, let me know...


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Message 11 of 149 (762113)
07-09-2015 4:01 AM
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Re: To Jar
What is the theory?
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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 12 of 149 (762115)
07-09-2015 4:10 AM
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07-09-2015 2:02 AM


To Capt Stormfield
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Just for fun, move all the words around into a different order and see if it makes any difference.

Sorry, I am not understanding yours 2 posts, maybe it is due two different cultures. It seems that you like to play with words, which is not the topic here, maybe I am wrong. But you got a very good interesting point. I will explain:

Matrix/DNA Theory is also the results of changing the direction used by the academic Standard Model for writing the universal history, from the Big Bang to life, from the past towards the future. I began with life, from the future towards the past, then, applying reduced evolutionary mechanisms I arrived to a Big Bang also. It is curious but you can move all the words used by the Standard Model around into a different order and see that it makes any difference. Would be the Standard Model merely a robot repeating texts or spamming...

Matrix/DNA Theory is suggesting that the whole Universal Natural History can be described from the past to future, but if you starts in the future towards the past, the same words will describe same history. For explaining it we need an analogy:

Considers the long life of an embryonary sac during its 9 months of existence. We will write its entire history. For begining we will mention the existence of a human specie ( in shape of a mother), which created the embryonary sac. After 9 months the embryonary sac does not exists anymore and we went back to the human specie ( in shape of a baby). So, everything began with the human specie and everything finished at a human specie. The sac was discarded, disappeared, is like it never existed. The name of this history should be "From the Human Specie back to the Human Specie"

Same happens with the history of the Universe. Before the beginning there was something, which we don't know, but let's call it, a system. The universal sac exists by 13,7 billion years, but it could reach 20 billion years. After this 20 billion years the sac will not exist, WILL BE DISCARDED LIKE THE EMBRYONARY SAC, end we will go back to the same specie of system that was existing before.

So, you can describe it from the past to the future or from the future to the past, you never will get another result than the same one. This is genetic reproduction and not robotic text reproduction or spamming.

The Standard Model describes a history that could be called as "From the Smallest Atom back to the Smallest Atom". You can believe that the history should be "From God back to God". Matrix/DNA Theory is suggesting that the right name should be "From a Conscious Natural System back to the Conscious Natural System".

So, thanks a lot for you playing with words and having fun here where I never got any fun because for thinking and working with Matrix/DNA Theory we need every slice of our brain very busy.... Cheers...

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.


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Message 13 of 149 (762123)
07-09-2015 7:28 AM
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07-09-2015 1:09 AM


Re: Testing
Hi MD,

I didn't understand any of that, so maybe it would be best to break this down into smaller pieces.

TheMatrixDNA writes:

Each one of the seven frequencies/vibration states of a light wave...

What are the "seven frequencies/vibration states of a light wave"?

--Percy


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Message 14 of 149 (762124)
07-09-2015 7:31 AM


Link to Relevant Website
MD may be getting his ideas from here: The Universal Matrix of the Systems and Natural Cycles

--Percy


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Message 15 of 149 (762128)
07-09-2015 8:03 AM
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Re: To Jar
So I ask yet again, what is the theory?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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