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New Cat's Eye
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Message 61 of 149 (762575)
07-13-2015 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-12-2015 4:23 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
Well geez, Louise, I ask you to explain one simple question while I go through the 2000 words that I'm behind you, and then you go on to drop another 700 words at me

I'm not going to go through and quote it, because frankly a lot of it just doesn't make much sense.

I think I have a good grasp of what you are proposing, and I find it to be kind of interesting.

I wonder, how much did you employ entheogens during your time in the jungle?

Anyways, if you want people to take you ideas seriously, then you're going to have to leave descriptive land and start getting into predictions.

By that I mean, if you've identified all these cycles and figured out the pattern, then use that knowledge to determine what comes next in our current cycle. If you can make a viable prediction that comes to fruition, then I promise you that more people will take your ideas more seriously.

Simply finding patterns in the patterns of the past, for one has no rigor, but also just makes you out to be a kook, no offense. Because humans are very good at noticing patterns (even when they're not there), and if you dive deep into patterns of patterns then you're bound to run into false positives that have no relation to reality.

That's why you have to test them against a null hypothesis. Simply determining that you are able to fit a phenomenon into your pattern does not tell you whether or not it actually belongs in your pattern. You never bother to find that out, if it fits then you are happy with it, but you never actually go on to check if it really needs to be included.

So then you just keep building into the pattern, and finding more and more stuff that you can fit in there. And then you begin to think that you are on to something HUGE, because of all the implications it has, when you're only fooling yourself by keeping that "bar of inclusion" set too low.

What you'll end up with is a Delusion of Grandeur. And then if anyone ever disagrees with your theory, you'll take offense and think they're against you. Without any help, it won't be long before, perceivably, the whole world is conspiring against your ideas. That's when you've gone full blown skitzo.

That part of why I ask, seriously: Did you trip on any drugs in the jungle?

'Cause if not, you may be harboring some mental illness. No offense.

Oh, I had mentioned other people "like you" earlier that we get coming here from time to time. Check out this other guy: He found patterns in Star Trek episodes, and then he found a pattern in those patters and did a bunch of math and then figured out that the pattern proved a triune god.

http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=17825

Check it out, what do you think?


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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 62 of 149 (762585)
07-13-2015 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by ringo
07-12-2015 2:18 PM


Re: To Ringo
quote:
TheMatrix/DNA writes:
Ringo, I have sent a suggestion to NASA with mechanisms for to build a robot-machine that could reproduce itself in Mars, populating Mars with productive robots.

Ringo wrote:
Specifically, how would your formula handle that problem? How would it differ from the mundane Newtonian mechanics with relativistic overtones?


Hi, Ringo. A fundamental lesson from Matrix/DNA's systems models is that Physics and Math has few applications for understanding and getting data about systems. They are reduced to parts of a system, but the most important is to identify the whole system and understanding its meaning, which works as feed-back upon the parts. Matrix/DNA world view is the most advanced knowledge about natural systems.

If we focus a human body as system, Physics and Math can see data and describing the system only at micro level of particles, nuclear reactions, and the bone skeleton. Physics applied at the coverture of the skeleton - the meat-soft level - would see merely clouds of colored gases like the recently images sent by Hubble and others about far away galaxies. The stomach, the liver, etc. would be merely different coloreds/composed clouds of gas.

So, it is not non rational to suppose that galaxies are composed by a skeleton of stars that we can see and covered by "soft working organs" hat we can not see, yet. New worlds, never imagined before, are here surrounding us, but they exists in those different levels of radiation that we can not see, like NASA is getting now those new images because are using instruments that works with those others levels of radiation. For to get the final meaning of that objects formed by clouds in different colors, we will need to see the objects with all kind of light/radiations. But, Matrix/DNA Theory can predicts what are there.

I know this idea seems stupid. But when you learn the meanings from Matrix/DNA formula - which is the DNA of galaxies and atoms - you are surprised noticing that non-living bodies are connected in a way that the final results of these working connections are same final results of human organs connections. So, you can see that, for instance, sexual reproductive system can be performed by seven different kinds of astronomical bodies, as shown in my avatar.

So, we can build a biological machine with iron and plastic rubber - containing and producing the life's properties, like reproducing itself and in different shapes, like the human body comes in different shapes, from babies to seniors.

Matrix/DNA needs a lab. We will develop new technological instruments for scientific research and technological applications. We will investigate radiation and light by a different approach, never experimented before. Institutions like NASA would get advances for building probes, robots, especially in astrobiology, the search for alien life.

Newtonian mechanics reveals mechanisms that ate mimicked by humans when building machines. General relativity is a kind of Physics' eyes over the superior organization cover of matter surrounding the mechanic aspect got by Newton. It can predicts the curve of light in space, the effects of nuclear reactions, but, since that astronomical systems more complex than our solar system ( which is like merely an atom of a human organ) has a coverture of half-biological organization of matter, relativity can not grasp the meanings of the system. With Matrix/DNA Theory we can do it.

You know that we are searching to produce synthetic bacterias for producing substances. We have some heavy machines for producing those substances but the high costs and small production does not work well. Synthetic bacterias are like if we produces synthetic horses for some kind of production, transport - a backwards of a technology that is producing machines like cars. Our design for robots and mass production at other astronomical bodies are this kind of synthetic half-alive robots that works with lower costs....

I will mention another phenomena where Physiscs and Math is not working well: quantum mechanics. Experiments like Heisenberg measures produces uncertainty due Physics is not understand that those particles are our primordial ancestrals and they expresses some properties of life. So, a hypothetical giant from Jupiter never can fix a human body in relation to time (its age) and seeing its shape at same time. Because the relativistic effect of time, the life and events of a human body would be millions times more fast than the life and events of the Jupiters' giant. If you fix time you don't get the anatomical shape, if you fix the shape you don't get the time of particles because their life is 17 millionth times less than your lifetime. There is no Heisenberg uncertainty, there is a relativistic issue about time due the different dimensions of the observer and the thing being observed.

Same for the split experiment: its not the same shape/age of the same photon that transpass two holes and reaches the wall. Photons are like DNA where the whole DNA is a big fractal of its unit of information - a base pair of nucleotides. So, a photon is like a minor fractal of the entire spectrum, composed by the seven levels of radiation that are composed a entire wave of radiations. But it seems that photons propagates as wave because all its seven different shapes caused by its life's cycles are expressed at a unique given moment - in relation to our time. If you are the Jupiter's giant and uses a human body instead a photon, in the wall you would see two bodies of the same body, but one is in shape of a baby and the other in shape of an adult. Since that the giant can not grasp these differences of age and shapes, he would believe that the body is a wave or a doubled particle.

Physics is not the the appropriate tool for getting meanings of existences of universes and life, a Theory of Everything will need, besides Physics, also Biology, Neurology, etc., like it is necessary for getting the meanings of a human body as system. These people that thinks they have elucidated the universe applying Physics and Math, arrived, as Lawrence Krauss, to absurd non-rational conclusions like his "Everything Came from Nothing".

The synthetic-robot-bacteria for Mars' productions wul not be developed by NASA's engineers alone. They will need the Matrix/DNA's people. ... Cheers...

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There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 63 of 149 (762615)
07-14-2015 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-13-2015 2:53 PM


Re: To Ringo
If we focus a human body as system, Physics and Math can see data and describing the system only at micro level of particles, nuclear reactions, and the bone skeleton. Physics applied at the coverture of the skeleton - the meat-soft level - would see merely clouds of colored gases like the recently images sent by Hubble and others about far away galaxies. The stomach, the liver, etc. would be merely different coloreds/composed clouds of gas.

Uh, no. In physics, solids are regarded as solids, not as gasses.

It is not normally necessary to explain this.

I will mention another phenomena where Physiscs and Math is not working well: quantum mechanics.

Hoo, boy.


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Message 64 of 149 (762616)
07-14-2015 1:48 AM
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07-13-2015 2:53 PM


I think we have another...

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 65 of 149 (762668)
07-14-2015 11:44 AM
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07-13-2015 2:53 PM


Re: To Ringo
TheMatrix/DNA writes:

A fundamental lesson from Matrix/DNA's systems models is that Physics and Math has few applications for understanding and getting data about systems.


No, a fundamental lesson that YOU don't seem to have learned is that Physics and Math are pretty good at solving real-world problems, like landing a probe on an asteroid. You need to show how your system could solve that problem AS WELL as Physics and Math do. Then you can move ahead to show how your system is "better".
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Message 66 of 149 (762671)
07-14-2015 12:11 PM
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07-14-2015 1:48 AM


Re: I think we have another...
We were well overdue.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

I think we could easily assign the following points. Someone following the discussion more closely could surely find many more.

3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.

10 points for each claim that quantum mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).

10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)

10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".'

20 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Newton or claim that classical mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).

40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.

50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.


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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 67 of 149 (762695)
07-14-2015 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by New Cat's Eye
07-13-2015 1:15 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
quote:
I wonder, how much did you employ entheogens during your time in the jungle?

You are smart, Cat Sci, you have perceived that a normal modern human brain could not discovery alone that there is chance for a new world view never thought before in human history and that it makes more rational sense than the others elaborated by humans. But I can guarantee to you that I don't permit nobody and any substance taking control of my mind, since that it is the unique thing I have of mine in this world and I want to be in total control of it. But Matrix/DNA formula and models have some contribution produced by brains altered by native shamanic substances, a kind of beverage called Saint Daime. The shama of a tribe takes the beverage and begins to talk weird things, then, I was at his side with pencil and paper at hands asking questions to him, merely due the scientific curiosity trying to understanding why our brain produces such imaginative non-real worlds.

The experience has surprised me due two items:

1) The final draws obtained by his visions was a picture equal those images of "energetic body or aura" published by ancient cultures of 4 or 5.000 years ago and existed 10.000 miles far away from Amazon jungle. But... the shaman's image was more complex adding more details to the ancient images, and one detail as a picture of what today Hawkins describes as black holes. The most surprising news was when I analysed the draws and discovered that it is the description of the DNA, as if it has a energetic software as genetic command of instructions. In another words, those images largely published by esoteric philosophies and chinese/hinduist big religions are not related to something mystical, non-existent, but they are about the thing that is located at the center of the neurons of those brains. So, it seems that the native entheogens bring on to the mind what's physically encrypted in the brain. And some details described by those visions - later I discovered - was fitting very well in the gaps that were missing for getting Matrix/DNA models.

But, the big surprise was coming yet: the native's description of "flying luminous corpuscules around and inside a human body were the exactly picture seen in heavy Physics books describing theoretical models and diagrams of particles, like photons. Don't ask me how is it possible, I don't know. My theory again is that those entheogens bring on to the mind flashes about what's at microscopical level inside the brain, things like DNA and particles. There is no mystical experiences by entheogens, it is merely a relativistic change of the observer viewpoint located in a different point in time/space which permits to see informations encrypted into the DNA, included informations from long past times, like our experiences as our ancestrals at the cosmological evolution period, but, this is merely my theory.

So, the rational thing to do was completing the models with those details and testing the whole model against real natural phenomena and events. Till now the models are earning.

2) Really I had drink ( sorry, it is missing me the right word in English here) a kind of entheogen made off natural substances in the jungle, but not the entheogen as a chemical substance used in a religious, shamanic, or spiritual context that may be synthesized or obtained from natural species. My entheogen was made off with the entire biosphere of the jungle with its wild spirit of crude and chaotic primitive nature. After two malarias and lots of jungle plant/animals poisonous got in seven years of hell there, my brains was brainwashed from the 15.000 years of human culture and replaced by the Nature's culture. You can not see the differences between a brain nurtured in an urban modern environment and a brain nurtured in the wild jungle. The perceptions about Nature are different. But when you go back to civilization and make a synthesis from the two cultures you can get something like the Matrix/DNA world view.

My entheogen was not a natural wild chemical substance, but, it was made with all natural elements of the entire jungle impregnated by its "spirit" that occurs in a specif evolutionary phase of the universal nature's spirit. We do not drink this kind of entheogen, it is inserted by Nature into our brain if we go there facing the hell. I am not telling non-sense... because I bought from this experience the Matrix/DNA world view which is a modern cosmology that went backwards from urban enviroment and took a shower of real Nature. No normal brain at the common modern urban environment and nurtured by human culture could produce Matrix/DNA world view, even that if it will be proved as a big mistake. Only time and new data will be the judge.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 68 of 149 (762729)
07-14-2015 10:26 PM
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07-13-2015 1:15 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
quote:
By that I mean, if you've identified all these cycles and figured out the pattern, then use that knowledge to determine what comes next in our current cycle. If you can make a viable prediction that comes to fruition, then I promise you that more people will take your ideas more seriously.

Cat Sci, thanks because you gave me an idea: I need creating a new category in my website called "proved predictions from Matrix/DNA Theory". In my website there are hundreds of articles ( in Portuguese, artigos) describing confirmations of Matrix/DNA predictions made 30 years ago when the formula was discovered and the atomic, astronomical, biological models were elaborated upon the formula. If I will have time, I will bring them here.

Manny predictions that we can get from this world view needs lab experiment and I have no lab. One example you can see at my home page, the picture about cholesterol. Every chemical element cycle of human body has as template the Matrix/DNA formula, so, once the scientific reductionist method identifies a cycle, we need making comparisons with Matrix formula, because this formula is for perfect systems/cycles and if the element cycle does not fit with the formula, something is wrong, you have the source of a disease. In the bad cholesterol cycle HDL is entering in the wrong way, between E2 and F3, instead the right way that must be F4 and F6. Now we need the map of the HDL cycle for identifying its problem. I never had time for searching if the field of biochemistry have identified it, so, if not, a lab need do it. These are predictions from the Matrix formula.

There are thousands of biochemical elements cycles in human body, we need now facing them with that formula, I had no time for doing no one else. We have hundreds of cycles of chemical elements in the atmosphere and Earth soil and now the published issue about climate change need be analysed from the Matrix formula perspective.

But I am alone and have to work hard for paying my bills and supporting alone this investigation and even that I had employed each free minute in this job, it is suggesting millions of thousands of practical things to do.

There are predictions that goes backwards. Thousands of scientific data that I did not know before getting the theory, I have learned after the theory and all of them fits in the models. Lots of scientific paper describing new natural phenomena says that something happens due unknown mechanism, but, looking in the formula and the models, you see the mechanism at work. Of course, I have no time and know accessibility for talking with the researches of the paper and even if I tried to talk, the first thing they ask is " what is yours PHD, or, where is yours papers...".


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Message 69 of 149 (762731)
07-14-2015 10:40 PM
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07-14-2015 12:11 PM


Re: I think we have another...
quote:
I think we could easily assign the following points. Someone following the discussion more closely could surely find many more.

3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.


Ok, Nonukes let's go playing yours game. Please, bring on here any statement that you think that it is logically inconsistent. But,... please, bring on here also the real natural proved phenomena or event that yours judgement was based on. Do not bring on here issues extracted from theories, even that they are scientific theories.

Be advised that I had meet lots of statements made by yours world view and concluded that they are logically inconsistent. Our agreement is only about the fact, real proved fact, what is different is the interpretation of that fact.

Another good point: please bring on my statements about things here and now ( Physics of our immediate environment, biology, neurology, etc.) Avoid cosmology and astronomy, I am working more in those immediate facts that can bring practical results.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 70 of 149 (762734)
07-14-2015 11:01 PM
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07-14-2015 11:44 AM


Re: To Ringo
quote:
TheMatrix/DNA writes:
A fundamental lesson from Matrix/DNA's systems models is that Physics and Math has few applications for understanding and getting data about systems.

quote:
Ringo wrote:
No, a fundamental lesson that YOU don't seem to have learned is that Physics and Math are pretty good at solving real-world problems, like landing a probe on an asteroid. You need to show how your system could solve that problem AS WELL as Physics and Math do. Then you can move ahead to show how your system is "better".

But... landing a probe on an asteroid is not an issue related to systems ( natural systems), it is more related to engineering d technology. What the technicians used from theoretical science... Some predictions from Newtonian mechanics like gravitational forces... the most part of it is trial and error, engineering creativity. The issue that I am talking, natural systems, begins with notions like: a natural architecture composed by parts connected in a way that each part performs a specific function. The sum of informations of all parts plus the informations got by fuzzy logics becomes a new entity that gores back over each part driving its behavior. Etc... And Physics and Math never understood natural system in the way that the big job of Bertalanffy in his General Systems Theory was disguised by Physicians and Mathematicians for creating cybernetics, artificial systems.

How Matrix/DNA could solve that problem... It is an easy answer. Nature alone is landing comets and asteroids over astronomical bodies since 10 billion years ago. It uses the force of natural giant volcanoes of old planets becoming pulsars that have little gravitational force for to eject magma/mass bubbles into space towards the center of the system. It happens that sometimes accidentally the natural probe gets a planet or a big asteroid in its way.

This mechanism applied by Nature is described in Matrix/DNA formula, so, if we wanted to do it before human beings did it, the formula would suggest what to do. because what NASA and the Europeans did was merely mimicking Nature.

Then, learn how to read matrix formula. Humans need those " launching pad for rocket by propulsion" (if is this the right English name...) while Nature build natural volcanoes and rockets for getting same job done. If someone had discovered Matrix formula 10.000 years ago and was describing it to his disciples, when arriving at F4 and talking about F5 and F1, he was describing how to land a probe at any other astronomical body.

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There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 71 of 149 (762756)
07-15-2015 3:10 PM
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07-14-2015 11:01 PM


Re: To Ringo
TheMatrix/DNA writes:

But... landing a probe on an asteroid is not an issue related to systems ( natural systems), it is more related to engineering d technology.


What's the difference? What's the point of a lot of woo-woo "ideas" if they don't have any effect on the real world?
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Message 72 of 149 (762767)
07-15-2015 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-11-2015 5:05 PM


Re: To Percy
Hi TheMatrix/DNA,

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

Yours list is in the order that the final results from Matrix/DNA are suggesting. But there is two things wrong in it:

1) All these systems are a unique system

Yes and all these systems are in existence today.

So how do you get to the point that in the past only one system existed?

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

The Matrix/DNA is suggesting that we must resuscitates the Haeckel's recapitulation theory

How do you resuscitate a theory that has long been debunked?

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

If you are a Christian believer you would appreciate this idea because Jesus always look to the soil and said "the son" and then look to the sky and said "the father". Son and father are pure genetics.

Can you point me to a Scripture that supports that assertion?

I do know He wrote in the sand one time when the woman who had been caught in adultery was brought to Him to judge her. But I can't find a text that says what you said.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

Atoms and galaxies are our ancestral shapes, in the sense that blastula and fetus were our primordial shapes. It means that there is a universal system that began to compose after the Big Bang and is evolving under the rules of vital cycles, like does it our own body.

I realize we are made of around 7*27 atoms.
But that does not mean that my atoms was in the shape of the galaxies does it?

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

2) Matrix/DNA results are suggesting that before atoms systems there was a long period of evolution from particles which already were systems in itself and this development fits with the Nobel Prize Hideki Yukawa theory

Yes there had to be an eternal existence prior to the Stellar system, and Galactic system. But that system would have to have atoms, and their subatomic particles.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

But as I said, this is cosmological discussion, far away off the issue that is my interest just now, which is Nature her and now.

But to explain a theory you have to begin at the beginning and proceed to the end for anyone to understand what you are trying to say.

I am a free thinker and have an open mind to anything and I question everything.

The other people you are talking to in this thread has a one track mind when it comes to scientific discussions and therefore they are not understanding anything you say. To them it is a bunch of gibberish.

If you want them to understand it you will have to break it down in an orderly manner and present it step 1, step 2, step 3, etc. Explaining each step and how you arrived at that point.

Then maybe they can follow you.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 73 of 149 (762768)
07-15-2015 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-14-2015 10:40 PM


Re: I think we have another...
Ok, Nonukes let's go playing yours game. Please, bring on here any statement that you think that it is logically inconsistent.

Sure. I'll go with this one for three points.

Avoid cosmology and astronomy, I am working more in those immediate facts that can bring practical results.

Why should I avoid such things. After all your theory covers everything, right? If you don't recognize any cosmic facts turning up in your searches because everything you do find is mere theory, then is your claim that your own work matches fact of any value? Don't you spend more time dismissing than finding agreement?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 74 of 149 (762770)
07-15-2015 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
07-15-2015 3:10 PM


Re: To Ringo
quote:
TheMatrix/DNA writes:
But... landing a probe on an asteroid is not an issue related to systems ( natural systems), it is more related to engineering d technology.

quote:
Ringo wrote: What's the difference? What's the point of a lot of woo-woo "ideas" if they don't have any effect on the real world?

Ringo, the knowledge about natural systems is not woo-woo idea and some friend of yours could be dying just now because our medicine does not understand our body as a system and so can not cure the milenar diseases like cancer, diabetes, etc. The Humanity's life can be unsupportable in this planet because we are not understanding the geological and climate changes because we does not understand this planet as a system yet.

There are no differences between engineering and the knowledge of natural systems, you are telling that since yours first post. There is difference between blind technology which had produced novelty due the insistence and urgently needs for solving problems when the human brain is forced and bring out of within him the solution for the problem. All technological inventions of human beings are merely mimicking a mechanism or process applied by Nature billion years ago and these mechanisms are registered into our neuronal DNA which has information of 13,7 billion years of natural history. These human made solutions cames from this inner intuitions. If you does not see it, point out here one single technology that was not predicted by Matrix/DNA formula which contains all mechanisms possibles in this world. And if the mechanism is in the formula it means that Nature can apply it every time that a problem try to disrupt the long natural chain of causes and effects.

The knowledge about natural systems avoid the blind technology and engineering because it provides the human knowledge with solutions before the problem happening. Instead discovering novelties as solution for real problems, the man that knows natural system is guided by the theory, like when scientists went to look at the eclipse if the light really makes curves, guided by Einstein's theory.

Every detail, every phenomena or event, every little stone in this planet is an object that never will be known entirely if not knowing the influences coming from the system that it belongs. That's why I am interpreting all natural phenomena with more complex informations than it is done by the reductionist scientific method. It is the first time in human history that we have everything now for advancing the another 50% that is missing to our scientific knowledge because now we have the formula for complete perfect natural system. And Nature exists due organizing mass and energy into working dynamic functional systems by that formula, like any living system exists due to be organized by DNA formula. Cheers...


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Bliyaal
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Message 75 of 149 (762771)
07-15-2015 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-15-2015 6:38 PM


Re: To Ringo
some friend of yours could be dying just now because our medicine does not understand our body as a system and so can not cure the milenar diseases like cancer

Great! Now you have a wonderful chance to demonstrate how (and not just woo-woo) the Maxtrix/DNA can cure cancer. I want practical means with real results.

Edited by Bliyaal, : Fixed formatting


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