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New Cat's Eye
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Message 76 of 149 (762773)
07-15-2015 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-14-2015 3:20 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
Hey Louise, I've been really busy lately. I'm trying to keep up on the reading (you type a lot), and not finding the time to compose a reply. I've got some ideas I want you to consider that I'll reply with later.

In the mean time I do have one quick question:

But I can guarantee to you that I don't permit nobody and any substance taking control of my mind,

Have you ever tested for schizophrenia?

.

Really I had drink ( sorry, it is missing me the right word in English here)
*drank
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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 77 of 149 (762774)
07-15-2015 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by NoNukes
07-15-2015 5:38 PM


Re: I think we have another...
quote:
Avoid cosmology and astronomy, I am working more in those immediate facts that can bring practical results.

quote:
Why should I avoid such things. After all your theory covers everything, right? If you don't recognize any cosmic facts turning up in your searches because everything you do find is mere theory, then is your claim that your own work matches fact of any value? Don't you spend more time dismissing than finding agreement?

No, I am not against debating ours different meanings from cosmology and different models of astronomical systems. It happens that they are natural phenomena far away from our world here and now, nobody have the real facts at hand, what we have are images and measures of distant facts. Natural phenomenas that we can see and touch here at our terrestrial environment can be brought over he table for a theoretical discussion searching the right interpretation and can produce immediate results, problem solving.

I have found hundreds of explanations for phenomena and natural events here and now that I never knew before, due the Matrix/DNA formula and its models. Explanations are good, they amplify our mental horizon, advances our intellectual knowledge, but rarely it can be applied for solving a real problem here and now. We have an example in our DNA:

The DNA is merely an evolutionary extension of the universal system's Matrix/DNA that was born at the Big Bang. So, those initial 300 genes that appeared at the first cell system were big packets of information about abiogenesis and about the past cosmological history. The 10 billion years of Natural History before life's origins here are registered by what you call " junk DNA". The long repetitive chains of letters is due those process at cosmological dimension taking long time than our biological time, so, the slower longlife of galaxies or primordial nebulae of atoms needs repetitive letters for registering it.

But, we are at biological times, so, genes that encodes for formation of atomic nebulae or galaxies produces substances and architectures that does not apply here anymore. still are here inside our DNA. They are in the bottom of our DNA but they have been substituted by their more complex shapes that are now at the top of the DNA. When some external stimulus activates those genes and they try to perform their ancient functions, they causes perturbation and diseases in the organism. We don't need here substances for formation of atomic nebulas. and they are toxic, poisonous to us.

So, this is the explanation that the knowledge of cosmology and astronomy has few applications for our real problems now, besides the applications for space exploration. This knowledge is good for explaining the roots, the history of each phenomena here and now but if we try to mimic the mechanisms and processes from things knowledge into engineering and technology, we don't get anything useful or we will causes perturbation in our planet.

Please do not put words in my mouth that I never told them. You said " After all your theory covers everything, right?" I never said such thing. I said that our brain is too small and have few poor sensors which does not permit to us to know everything. The Matrix/DNA is a world view of this poor human brain. I said that the matrix formula and its theoretical models are revealing answers for every question about natural phenomena inside the long chain of causes and events that results in our everyday objects and biological architectures here and now. This is merely a sequence of a lineage of an evolution of a universal system that was born at the Big bang and today is becoming a conscious system. But there are at least seven lineages of evolution affecting every object in this world and we can not grasp more than one or three of these lineages. Every natural phenomena is present at every state/vibration of the electromagnetic spectrum and we can now only what is surrounding the visible light.

Besides that I said that this theory arrives to the Big Bang in the past and predicts the Big Birth for the future but it stops at the limits of this observable Universe, it can not see beyond, so, it is not a theory of everything.

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 78 of 149 (762775)
07-15-2015 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by New Cat's Eye
07-15-2015 7:16 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
quote:
Hey Louise, I've been really busy lately. I'm trying to keep up on the reading (you type a lot), and not finding the time to compose a reply. I've got some ideas I want you to consider that I'll reply with later.

Thanks, I am waiting, I like new ideas about this issue.

quote:
But I can guarantee to you that I don't permit nobody and any substance taking control of my mind,

quote:
I do have one quick question: Have you ever tested for schizophrenia?

No, I never tested for it, which does not means that I am totally mental perfect. But I would appreciate if you could point out any human being that is not mentally sick. Of course, you can not see the sickness of persons that participates in yours own culture. For instance you can not see that there was no moral evolution from primates to human beings nowaday, since that the rules of the social system that I saw in the jungle still are the same rules of all social systems built by men. In the jungle the social class are divided into big predators, medium predators and preys. The result is that violence and state of wild chaos. Our social system mimics it as high class, medium class and low class. What's the difference...
So, since that you know, animals are totally mental weaks, those that mimics animals are also... I said that I do not permit any substance or another being taking control of my mind and it includes the human culture. Since that you absorbs this culture, I suggest that you take the test.

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 79 of 149 (762794)
07-16-2015 11:40 AM
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07-15-2015 6:38 PM


Re: To Ringo
TheMatrix/DNA writes:

The Humanity's life can be unsupportable in this planet because we are not understanding the geological and climate changes because we does not understand this planet as a system yet.


We understand the "system" well enough to know that pouring more CO2 into the atmosphere is making it worse; therefore, pouring less CO2 into the atmosphere will make it less worse. SPECIFICALLY, how do you propose to improve on that situation by "understanding the system" better?
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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 80 of 149 (762874)
07-17-2015 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by New Cat's Eye
07-13-2015 1:15 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
quote:
Simply finding patterns in the patterns of the past, for one has no rigor, but also just makes you out to be a kook, no offense.

But... blindness for patterns that are obvious and are necessary for explaining the world rationally makes people out to be a kook, no offense. And Matrix/DNA is not a repetition of patterns, it is the repetition of the Nature's mechanism for organizing matter into systems and would be logically inconsistent if Nature was using more than one technique for doing same job.

Now let's see if Matrix/DNA is logical and who is a kook:

1) From the first cell or living being to humans, all them, are natural systems and their bodies were made by a unique common formula called DNA.
2) Atoms, stellar and galaxies are natural systems;
3) Conclusion: all natural systems, including atoms and astronomicals, must have in common a formula called "universal" DNA, or, better: The Matrix/DNA

-"Oh,... this is absurd!" - you says. Ok, then, give-me the yours conclusion...

And you have one other alternative to say than this one:

3) Atoms, stellar and galactic systems are natural systems, obviously. But they are natural systems made off different than those others natural systems called cells, elephants, humans... They does not have a common formula.

It is up to you bring on the proof for yours affirmation. Because it is you that had broken the logics of the long chain of causes and effects that is coming since the Big Bang to here and now. You are broken the universal evolutionary history into two blocks without any evolutionary link between them. It is different... why, I am asking. What fact or who authorizes you to say that... Or you don't believe in evolution or you believe in two different types of evolution, without a rational explanation... If there is evolution any shape of natural system came from another shape of natural system that came from another... from atoms to human beings. Like we see here from bacterias to human beings. There is a unique universal system rolling under the rules of evolution and natural evolution is one, not two, because there is no two Nature.

The problem is that all biological systems are here, we can see and touch them, we can opening them and see what is inside, they belongs to our level of size, dimensions. So, we discovered that they were made by a common natural formula. Hells, go to open a galaxy, an atom and see inside... if the same formula is not there, I will put 50 years of hard work in the garbage.

Another problem is that we still does not know the supreme, the final meaning of the DNA. We still see DNA as something mystical, that's why we say "a code", a message, a computational program, etc. No, DNA is anything like that. It is not a code, no message, no extraordinary engineering of the stupid matter of this lost planet.

DNA is like the Humanity. There are 8 billion human beings, all them are same shape, a head, two arms, two legs... But we know that there is no two identical human beings. Would be not rational calling Humanity as a code... Or a message... or a computational program...

DNA is merely a set of billions samples of a unique natural system, a lateral base-pair with two nucleotides. This is the system that came from the galaxies because this system is the fundamental unit of galaxies, the building blocks of galaxies, as showed at my astronomical models. And of atoms. Billions individuals that have same external apparently shape, but there is no one unit identical to other.

And like those big diversification of human beings as billions different individuals produces a big diversification of products, from mayonnaise to airplanes, also the big diversification of individuals as base-pair nucleotides produces 20.000 different proteins and babies.

Other problem is that the universal Matrix/DNA is not an stationary shape, it is under evolution also. So, when it was at primordial times it had such different shape that could not be recognised in the actual shape of biological DNA, like you would not recognize the primordial shape of bacteria as ancestor of human beings. The formula always kept its internal structure and functionality, always kept seven universal systemic functions including the ability to self-reproducing. But the evolutionary shape when building electromagnetic systems can not be the same shape when building astronomical systems and or biological systems. While it was in the reign of particles it was merely a wave composed by the seven different frequencies/vibrations that we see at the electromagnetic spectrum. When it was in the reign of atoms the seven universal systemic functions were the seven layers of electronically charged rings surrounding the nucleus. At atoms with only one electron, the system expressed only one function, as if a human being was walking here and expressing visible only its stomach or liver. Atoms with two electrons expresses two functions, two organs. And so on. The atom is like a pianist, the electrons are the fingers of the pianist: it expresses a musical sound when his finger touch one note, two sounds when touching other note, and so on.

While the universal system comes evolving it went expressing more functions, which means more organs, but all organs were already encoded, encrypted in the first system. Like in human embryogenesis the body is evolving expressing more organs, but all organs was encoded in the initial DNA.

At the beginnings of the first galaxies, the Matrix/DNA was not an internal microscope formula like the DNA is inside organisms. The formula was the whole system. It was more external, it was astronomical, it was the projection from a nebula of atoms, like the first unique microscope cell became a big multicellular body. The first body, a star formed with the lightest atoms could evolve back being transformed into pulsar, the pulsar into planet till F1, the function of the white hole at the nucleus: and evolve forward, from supernova to red giant , from red giant to dark dwarf till the cadaver arriving at F1 also. This was possible because the seven functions of the formula are aligned by the same sequence that produces variations of shapes in a human body due the life's cycle process.

How could nebulas of galaxies composed by stars and planets producing new bodies as pulsar, quasar, black holes, if not in this way... the same way that a couple of humans 20 years old can produce in a unique body the shapes of fetus, embryo, adult, etc....

That the Matrix/DNA sometimes is microscope and another times is macroscope in not a problem for Nature that applies nanotechnology here and now facing our eyes, when Nature takes a human body 20 years old, put it inside a microscope genome, and again from the genome applies giantology for to build a giant body.
That the Matrix/DNA sometimes is internal and other times is external is not a problem, it is a natural law, expressed when a biological system like the crustaceous have the skeleton externally and its next evolutionary shape, like reptiles, the skeleton went internally.

There is a disease when a person see patterns where they are not there. I don't remember the name of this disease just now. But there is another disease about people that does not see two patterns when they are clearly there. What's the name... we need create it. Because this is the disease common at billion of people indoctrinated by the modern world view taught at our schools.

The academic staff is saying to students: -" The natural systems we can see and touch are all of them in this way, they have DNA, etc. But,.. the natural systems that we can not see and touch must be different because our intelligence has decided in this way! Even that we know that those systems that we can not touch are evolutionary ancestor of those that we touch!"

This is an absurd statement. This is appeal to authority. This is a blasphemy against Nature. This means that those that believe in it are not reasoning naturally with the reason that nature gave to us. That's why the materialist and deist need to appeal to mystical entities such a magical God or a magical randomness for to fit the enormous gap between two blocks of Universal Natural History, and both comes with the idea that life falls from nowhere.

This is the extraordinary claim that needs extraordinary evidence! Give me it, please...

By another hands, the Matrix/DNA world view see a peaceful, logical, natural flow of continuing evolution... which will be revealed not to be evolution but merely small steps of a big and divine process of reproduction, be the divine a God or a natural system...

( Sorry again by the 2.000 words but there is no other way explaining a never imagined before world view and talking about systems. Cheers...)

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 81 of 149 (762884)
07-17-2015 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-17-2015 12:31 AM


Re: To Cat Sci
1) From the first cell or living being to humans, all them, are natural systems and their bodies were made by a unique common formula called DNA.
2) Atoms, stellar and galaxies are natural systems;
3) Conclusion: all natural systems, including atoms and astronomicals, must have in common a formula called "universal" DNA, or, better: The Matrix/DNA

That conclusion does not logically follow. I think it is the Fallacy of Composition, or something similiar. You are assuming that since one natural system behaves one way then all other natural systems must also behave that way.

-"Oh,... this is absurd!" - you says. Ok, then, give-me the yours conclusion...

Sure:

1) From the first cell or living being to humans, all them, are natural systems and their bodies were made by a unique common formula called DNA.
2) Atoms, stellar and galaxies are natural systems;
3) Conclusion: Nothing.

It is up to you bring on the proof for yours affirmation.

Since I have not concluded anything, there is no affirmation to prove.

I'll just sit here comfortably in limbo and wait for you to support your conclusion in a way that is not a logical fallacy. That is, assuming that you are interested in providing logical support for your ideas.

I'm still planning on getting to the other stuff too, just FYI.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 82 of 149 (762886)
07-17-2015 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-15-2015 7:54 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
No, I never tested for it,

...

I suggest that you take the test.

I have. I don't have any qualities that are associated with schizophrenia.

There's a little online test here:

http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/schizophrenia.htm

Here are the questions that, from what I've seen you post here, I think pertain to you:

quote:
2. I hear or see things that others do not hear or see.

3. I feel it is very difficult for me to express myself in words that others can understand.

5. I believe in more than one thing about reality and the world around me that nobody else seems to believe in.

6. Others don't believe me when I tell them the things I see or hear.

8. I have magical powers that nobody else has or can explain.

11. I am treated unfairly because others are jealous of my special abilities.


Try it out, see what you get.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 83 of 149 (762888)
07-17-2015 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by TheMatrix/DNA
07-14-2015 10:26 PM


Re: To Cat Sci
There are predictions that goes backwards.

No, those are called descriptions.

Thousands of scientific data that I did not know before getting the theory, I have learned after the theory and all of them fits in the models.

But what you have not shown is whether or not that is just a superficial resemblance.

Just because two things look alike does not mean they follow the same underlying principles.

If you want people to take your ideas seriously, you have to show that the underlying principles are the same. You cannot just point to an apparently superficial resemblance and then expect people to go along with your assumption that there is the same underlying principle governing both.

That is why your ideas are not gaining traction. Its not because there is a conspiracy, or because people were brainwashed in school.

It is simply because you have not shown that your theory follows from the evidence.

Instead, you are expecting people to share your assumption that because they look the same then they must be the same.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 84 of 149 (762889)
07-17-2015 11:05 AM
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07-17-2015 12:31 AM


Re: To Cat Sci
if the same formula is not there, I will put 50 years of hard work in the garbage.

Don't ever do that. There's no reason to throw all that work away.

Even if you figure out that you were wrong, there's still stuff that can be learned from all that work.

Sorry again by the 2.000 words but there is no other way explaining a never imagined before world view and talking about systems.

There are other ways.

I'm pretty sure I've got your theory understood well enough to summarize it.

I'll give it a go when I get some more time.

Then you can correct any misunderstanding.

Then I can explain why your theory is an unsupported assertion.

Then we can talk about the real reasons why people are rejecting it.

Then we can talk about what you can do to provide evidence for you assertions and maybe you can make some progress on making your theory more palatable.


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Message 85 of 149 (762927)
07-17-2015 11:09 PM
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07-17-2015 12:31 AM


Re: To Cat Sci
Now let's see if Matrix/DNA is logical and who is a kook:

1) From the first cell or living being to humans, all them, are natural systems and their bodies were made by a unique common formula called DNA.
2) Atoms, stellar and galaxies are natural systems;
3) Conclusion: all natural systems, including atoms and astronomicals, must have in common a formula called "universal" DNA, or, better: The Matrix/DNA

1) Whales are all mammals and live in the sea.
2) Giraffes, yaks, and anteaters are mammals.
3) Conclusion: all mammals, including giraffes, yaks, and anteaters, must have in common that they all live in the sea.

Nah, see, that's not logic.


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Message 86 of 149 (762928)
07-17-2015 11:11 PM
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07-17-2015 10:36 AM


Re: To Cat Sci
That conclusion does not logically follow. I think it is the Fallacy of Composition, or something similiar.

I don't think there's even a name for this abomination against logic.


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Message 87 of 149 (762934)
07-18-2015 12:11 AM
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07-12-2015 5:04 AM


Re: To Percy
Hi TheMatrix/DNA

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

ICANT, you need know that it is not me that says before the beginning ( of the Universe) there was a system.

If there was a beginning to exist there could be no system prior to the beginning, as there would be non existence.

Therefore there has always been existence in some form.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

I am not mixed with the theory, this conclusion is not an anthropologic projection. It is the results of reading maps and interpreting models made by pure formal logics and real proved facts. The maps are pointing out that was a system, a natural and conscious system that was not a magician.

Sure you are mixed up with the theory that is what you are supposed to be explaining to us.

You are right the system was not a magician.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

This system must be bigger than the Universe, and its lifelong must be more than at least 20 billion years.

The system has to be bigger than the Universe as the Universe has to reside in the original system.

The system has to be an eternal system or else it had to have a beginning to exist from non existence which is impossible.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

if this ex-machine system is eternal or infinity no human brain could know it.

Sure the human brain can know it.
Simple logic proves that the system is eternal if not it had to begin to exist from non existence which is impossible.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

Because when we leave our observable universe and goes further beyond it we knows that there is a place where all know natural law becomes negative laws.

What makes you think all known natural laws become negative laws in the system the Universe resides in?

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

it is not conceivable for human beings that something arouse from Nothing and it is not conceivable that something never was born from something, in another words, that something is infinity. So, there is no third alternative to human brains. The supreme mistery is unsolvable by our brain in this evolutionary shape and if someone says that he/she knows the third alternative, it should be a lie.

The third alternative is that the eternal system created this Universe and all things in it.

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

I don't need this solution to this ultimate question because what I know from this world is enough for explain my existence here and what is my mission here. I am a conscious gene building the embryo of a conscious being that will born for the world beyond this observable universe. And like the genes of my parents lifted up for to be the neurons in my head, I will be in the head of that being.

Can I assume from that statement that you believe you have a physical body, a mind, and a spirit that is going to live in a new body in a future world after this one melts with fervent heat?

TheMatrix/DNA writes:

I am here for helping all conscious genes like me to accomplish their mission

I am glad you want to help other accomplish their mission. I just don't think you have a clue as to how to help them prepare for the world that will come after this one melts with fervent heat.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 88 of 149 (762960)
07-18-2015 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by New Cat's Eye
07-17-2015 10:36 AM


Re: To Cat Sci
quote:
That conclusion does not logically follow. I think it is the Fallacy of Composition, or something similiar. You are assuming that since one natural system behaves one way then all other natural systems must also behave that way.

3) Conclusion: Nothing.


What does not follow is yours conclusion: "nothing".

First of all, we are not talking about behavior. I said in the last post that each copy of a natural system has a minimum variation that specializes it in its specific function. Like the cells of ours body, they are all copies of an initial cell, an original template, but everyone makes something different. Differences of behavior is very difficult to identificate, it was not used in my conclusion;

Second: the composition refers to origins of natural systems, how did they come to be. If you does not see that every natural system must be produced by a prior existent system you will believe in "origins" and will need a theoretical model for each origin of each system. Like one that need a magical entity for explaining the origin of each animal species.

Refers to their composition: we can see organelles at cells, organs at organisms, nitrogenous base at nucleotides, bodies of the building block of galaxies, all them are very different in substance, shape, etc. but the fundamental essence behind them are the same: universal systemic functions. In the formula, Function 1, will model its tool for acting in a new environment, with new materials and it will be modelled for to perform its function that is "generation of a new body" using raw ingredients and energy under increasing state ( not entropic state). So, F1 do it when modeling the cells nucleus for replicating the DNA, choosing among the raw ingredients the right one for making a new body, the right side of the stream; when modeling the human female reproductive apparatus, when modelling the nucleus of astronomical systems for producing new stars seeds, and so on. You are not trained to understanding what is a complete perfect natural system, as described in Matrix/DNA formula, that's why you can not grasp the meaning of universal systemic functions;

Refers to functionality and identity of systems. If you take a human body and separates each shape that it gets in a lifespan, them try to recompose the life'a cycle backwards, you will notice, for instance, that for existing an adult body is necessary that it absorbs a teeneger body. The teeneger body is inside the adult body which repeats all its functions, same functionality, and same identity. Now take the first cell system and reduces it to its creator - this galaxy called Milk Way - and take the galaxy and reduces it to its creator - a nebula of lighters atoms. Same thing, the functionality and identity are the same in all of them, and if you does not see it, yours models of astronomical and atoms systems are wrong or not completed. In Matrix/DNA models you see all these things very clear.

Yours conclusion is "nothing". Arbitraraly you separate biological systems composed of cells to human beings from the other systems that were composing the state of the world that created these biological systems. You need something from outside the Nature, something metaphysical, like little gods or the "absolute magical nothing that produced everything". I think it is the Fallacy of Composition, a delusion produced by the non ability to see and touch the micro and macro levels of Nature, which produces a misunderstanding of these levels. This delusion is feed by the milenar human culture that was born in ancient times producing the mysticism of magical gods and spirits, and, at another side, was born at the Illuminism and feed by Galileo, Newton, etc., that saw no need for explaining the life's properties at Earth because they had the answer: nothing. They were produced by chance explained by statistics and probability calculus - which are merely human-mind construction, not natural property.

Com'on, Cat Sci, it is time to wake up: nobody else created these biological systems here than our galaxy and its atoms, so, the forces, the elements, and the mechanisms for creating it must be existing here before life's origins - which did not happened because galaxies and atoms are not died systems, they were somehow alive. If you does not see these forces, elements and mechanisms in yours astronomical and atomic models, you must search them there because they must be there. As I did.

Galaxies are to much distant one from other for some comet or meteorite transporting life from other galaxy to the Milk Way. It is not logical to believe that the forces and elements for producing life were inserted into Milk Way from outside. It is not logical that the Milk Way, as theoretically modelled by the academic staff could produce life here. Convergence of forces and elements by chance at one given point at spacetime only has produced destruction of existent systems, not creating from nowhere new systems. If we need the idea that life came from outside this galaxy, the unique alternative is that life was encoded someway and inserted into this Universe at the moment of the Big Bang. So, life came from inside this galaxy and not from outside, even that the source of life and galaxies is outside and existing before the Universe.

You are in need of taking a shower of crude and salvage Nature but keeping a philosopher naturalist reasoning and Nature will do a brainwash cleaning all these fake interpretations of natural phenomena and events and will pull you back to the natural state of reasoning. Then you will be able to talk about logics. Not as offense, I am telling about the modern world mindset.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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Message 89 of 149 (762967)
07-18-2015 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by New Cat's Eye
07-17-2015 10:36 AM


Re: To Cat Sci
quote:
Cat Sci wrote:

Sure:

1) From the first cell or living being to humans, all them, are natural systems and their bodies were made by a unique common formula called DNA.
2) Atoms, stellar and galaxies are natural systems;
3) Conclusion: Nothing.

It is up to you bring on the proof for yours affirmation.
Since I have not concluded anything, there is no affirmation to prove.

I'll just sit here comfortably in limbo and wait for you to support your conclusion in a way that is not a logical fallacy. That is, assuming that you are interested in providing logical support for your ideas.


Yes, you have concluded a final answer: nothing. If one are telling that by evolution reptiles were transformed into mammals, mammals arrived to chimpanzees, but, from chimpanzees to humans the evolution was different, like you said above, you need to bring the different thing that made it. I am merely describing the logics of evolution that I see here at Earth and projecting it to the whole Universe, there is no differences at some point of evolution. This difference requires external agents coming from outside the long chain of causes and effects coming since the Big Bang. This is logics.

It is not up to me to prove that natural logics is all that exists. And as Einstein said, " one does not need to prove that his theory is the right one, it is enough showing that it makes sense". Darwin, Einstein, Mendell did not proved their theories when alive, they introduced their models and explanations about them, like I am doing. If you want, take any detail of proved and known natural phenomena and ask how it fits in Matrix/DNA theory, and we will be surprised. Or go to my website and see thousands of articles explaining natural phenomena on a new way never did before. For instance, every detail of insects, ants and bee social systems can be located inside that simple matrix formula performed in a mechanical astronomical fashion, and it leads us to a prediction about the future of humans social systems that we are seeing just now its development. This prediction already was grasped by Aldous Huxley and George Orwell because every time a philosopher makes extraordinary efforts for calculating something in the future, its brain reveals a kind of intuition derived from what is registered into the DNA of its neurons, like the ancestor astronomical systems are registered into our Matrix/DNA. It is never imagined before explanations due the right model of the world was never imagined before by human beings.

Tell me about the alien that came here making evolution different from chimpanzees to humans that I will think that could be possible also an alien making the evolution from galactic systems to cells systems different, like you said. Matrix/DNA theory have no needs of aliens.


There was no origins of life and universe, astronomical systems are half-alive, light waves contains the code for life and DNA is not a code: Matrix/DNA Theory

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TheMatrix/DNA
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Message 90 of 149 (762968)
07-18-2015 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Dr Adequate
07-17-2015 11:09 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
quote:
1) Whales are all mammals and live in the sea.
2) Giraffes, yaks, and anteaters are mammals.
3) Conclusion: all mammals, including giraffes, yaks, and anteaters, must have in common that they all live in the sea.

Nah, see, that's not logic.


Of course, it is not logic, you have distorted my composition. While I am talking about the inner composition of natural systems, you are bringing on a composition with external elements surrounding natural systems, like the sea. My compositions is not about where natural systems lives, all of them lives in the observable Universe. My composition is about the inner features of natural systems,, its origins, its inner functionality and identity.

Following my composition and does not arriving to same conclusion yours compositions must be:

1) Whales are all mammals, all them are natural systems and their bodies were made by a unique common formula called DNA;
2) Giraffes, yaks, and anteaters are mammals.
3) Conclusion: giraffes, yaks, and anteaters are different, their bodies were not made by a unique common formula...

Nah, see, that's not logic. You will need to point out the external agent coming from outside Nature for explaining the different origins of different mammals.

Edited by TheMatrix/DNA, : No reason given.


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