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Omnivorous
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Message 316 of 424 (767753)
09-01-2015 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
09-01-2015 2:13 PM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
It's interesting that this is being described as a typical Christian act, while she's the only county clerk in the country doing it.
Perhaps the others are not true Christians. I gather she's elected and can't simply be fired. Maybe she'll go directly to heaven for her saintliness.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 317 of 424 (767754)
09-01-2015 2:35 PM


Contempt hearing Thursday
The federal judge in the case has ordered Davis and her staff to appear Thursday at 11 a.m. "to explain themselves" after plaintiffs asked him to find Davis in contempt and to impose fines.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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jar
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Message 318 of 424 (767769)
09-01-2015 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Omnivorous
09-01-2015 2:35 PM


Re: Contempt hearing Thursday
A reasonable solution would be a $1000.00 per day fine for the first 30 days doubling every 31st day after that.
When you elect ignorant folk you get ignorant clerks.
Thank God the god she markets has no authority anywhere in the US.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 319 of 424 (767784)
09-02-2015 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
09-01-2015 2:13 PM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
Why isn't there some recognition of the fact that she had the job before the law came down? That's some kind of fraud or entrapment I would think, something that ought to be prosecuted in itself.
That's just weird. "Fraud or entrapment"? Why not arson, champerty, and uttering counterfeit money?
We choose God over the worship of Caesar and get eaten by lions.
Though not you personally. And now someone else who isn't you faces something even worse than lions. She's being required to do the job she's paid to do. This could only happen to a Christian. Atheists don't even have job descriptions, they just turn up to work and do whatever.

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PaulK
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Message 320 of 424 (767786)
09-02-2015 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
09-01-2015 2:13 PM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
quote:
Why isn't there some recognition of the fact that she had the job before the law came down? That's some kind of fraud or entrapment I would think, something that ought to be prosecuted in itself.
And this is WHY we cannot have people like you in positions of power. You will make up the most ridiculous lies to do whatever you want in defiance of justice, the law and simple morality.
And then you whine about being persecuted because it doesn't work.
Now we might more reasonably ask why there is no recognition that this is a purely secular matter. That she is not performing any religious function. That this is entirely about discriminating against homosexuals.
It's not about Christians being persecuted,mints about Christians wanting to persecute and whining because the government dares to disagree.

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Message 321 of 424 (767790)
09-02-2015 7:48 AM


Here's an interesting question
If Hindus wish to build a temple should a Christian use a government position to deny them ? Even if there is no reason for the denial other than that it is a Hindu temple ?
Obviously as a matter of law (at least in the U.S.) and from the principle of religious freedom the answer is no. bit surely Faith must feel differently. From her perspective to actively give permission to build the temple is to be complicit in demon-worship.
Of course the question of inter-racial marriage is also significant, but we already know that faith thinks that it's OK to "persecute" Christian segregationists....
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

  
JonF
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Message 322 of 424 (767795)
09-02-2015 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 316 by Omnivorous
09-01-2015 2:25 PM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
It's interesting that this is being described as a typical Christian act, while she's the only county clerk in the country doing it.
Heck, she's not even the only one in Kentucky. "Casey Davis (no relation) has sworn he will die before issuing a license to a gay couple. IIRC he's walking across the state ti Kim Davis' office to show support for her. Or something equally stupid.
Kentucky Clerk Says He May Die Fighting Gay Marriage.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 323 of 424 (767796)
09-02-2015 9:09 AM


Imagine if a government clerk who was a Quaker started refusing to issue gun licenses as a matter of conscience ... you'd soon see how much the religious right gives a damn about her "religious freedom" to not do her job.

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jar
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Message 324 of 424 (767808)
09-02-2015 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
09-01-2015 2:13 PM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
Faith writes:
Finally it's coming to America, that's all.
Thank God, and about time.
This is a great example why it is utterly crazy to elect or appoint "Biblical Christians" or members of the Christian Cult of Ignorance to any positions of power or authority.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 325 of 424 (767813)
09-02-2015 11:54 AM
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09-02-2015 8:42 AM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
Casey Davis (no relation) has sworn he will die before issuing a license to a gay couple. IIRC he's walking across the state ti Kim Davis' office to show support for her.
That's ironic. "I'm willing to die for my beliefs so I'm going for a walk." Who knew walking in Kentucky was so dangerous?

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Omnivorous
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Message 326 of 424 (767819)
09-02-2015 12:37 PM
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09-02-2015 8:42 AM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
JonF writes:
Heck, she's not even the only one in Kentucky. "Casey Davis (no relation) has sworn he will die before issuing a license to a gay couple. IIRC he's walking across the state ti Kim Davis' office to show support for her. Or something equally stupid.
He talks, but he hasn't defied a federal court order to issue licenses.
If you spot any cases like Davis', let me know. I don't think there have been any other holdouts.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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PaulK
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Message 327 of 424 (767827)
09-02-2015 1:53 PM
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09-02-2015 9:09 AM


quote:
Imagine if a government clerk who was a Quaker started refusing to issue gun licenses as a matter of conscience ... you'd soon see how much the religious right gives a damn about her "religious freedom" to not do her job.
Just more evidence of how Christians are persecuted. They can't have the Quakers whipped out if town, and even have to tolerate Quakers holding public office. Scandalous! The end of Western civilisation!

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Omnivorous
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Message 328 of 424 (767834)
09-02-2015 2:48 PM


Why no licenses for straights?
I'm puzzled about why Ms. Davis continues to deny marriage licenses to straight couples.
As a sort of sop/claim to fairness, it''s the thinnest of fictions; as a legal tactic, it's meaningless. The state could move to eliminate licenses, but she can't. How does she justify denying licenses to straights? Her God apparently has no problem with state control of straight holy matrimony: of course, the state never got in the way of it before.
Maybe there will be a weather event.
She's an enthusiast of marriage. The refusal to issue licenses is clearly and explicitly about gay marriage.
So what's she up to with denying licenses to straights?
Note that six assistant clerks must also appear at the contempt hearing tomorrow. I wonder if the judge will take them one by one, asking if they will obey the law or pay the fine. It reminds me of helicopter interrogations to encourage the others.
Note also that the unrelated Mr. Davis, he of the big talk and apparently also a county clerk in KY, is biking to the coast while the local fire burns. I think he's getting a free look at consequences, grabbing the stage for his own fund-raising and campaign profile, and generally having a great time. But in the end I suspect he'll be encouraged, too...way too much bluster.
I doubt all six assistant clerkss will toe her line; times are hard, those jobs are patronage plums and her line sucks. Anybody give me odds?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 329 of 424 (767837)
09-02-2015 3:19 PM
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09-02-2015 11:54 AM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
I read Casey Davis' subtext as: "I'm making a big show of supporting her, but will delay actually having to support her until after everything has already blown over."
All show, no go.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 330 of 424 (767881)
09-03-2015 12:43 AM


In breaking news, government clerk Muhammad bin Ahmed has refused to issue a zoning permit for a Christian church. "Legally, their papers are all in order", he explained "But Allah knows a higher law. I cannot be required to participate in the grave sin of shirk, against my sincerely held religious belief that I don't want to do my job", adding "Where's my paycheck?"
It is expected that conservative Christians will come out in his support, since they are of course people of principle and not just a bunch of homophobes looking for an excuse.

  
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