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Dogmafood
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Message 7 of 27 (767508)
08-30-2015 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Straightshot
08-29-2015 10:42 AM


According to plan
So basically what you are saying is that everything is going according to plan.
Why should the believer in Jesus Christ be interested in Israel and the controversy between Issac [Israel] and Ishmael [the Muslims] set long ago by the Lord Himself?
Why would the Lord Himself do such a thing? What kind of plan is this to be coming from a God of love and kindness?
Is there any point in trying to resist the plan by actively trying not to destroy the world or should we just give in and push the button? I mean if it is God's plan that we end in ruin what are the odds that we could defy him? Should we even try?
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Dogmafood
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From: Ontario Canada
Joined: 08-04-2010


Message 9 of 27 (767610)
08-31-2015 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 9:38 AM


Re: According to plan
Here is why, and His ultimate intent and action...
You are not really answering the questions. I am aware of what the plan is. The question is why is that the plan? Why did the Lord Himself set us up for such a fall? Why didn't He give everyone the love of the truth? Why would He Himself delude some into believing a lie and then damn them for being so gullible?
quote:
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Most importantly, how can we thwart the plans of He Himself and save the world?

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Dogmafood
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Message 12 of 27 (767618)
08-31-2015 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Straightshot
08-31-2015 7:47 AM


Re: According to plan
Humans are given a free will and must choose this relationship .... on His terms
I think that we have a different understanding of what free will is.
quote:
Free Will
noun
1.
free and independent choice; voluntary decision:
You took on the responsibility of your own free will.
2.
Philosophy. the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.
As soon as you start threatening eternal damnation replete with suffering and misery then free will sort of goes out the window.
There is nothing that can change this destiny ....
Ever hear of the Kobayashi Maru? If we could just change the programming we may have a shot.

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