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Larni
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Message 16 of 27 (767761)
09-01-2015 3:55 PM
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08-31-2015 7:47 AM


Re: According to plan
quote:
you just do not believe in and or understand the Lord's Word

Well the thread ends here.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Straightshot
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Message 17 of 27 (767774)
09-01-2015 8:58 PM
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09-01-2015 3:55 PM


Re: According to plan
The Lord speaks:

[Isaiah 11; 27;12-13; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; 38; 39; 40-48; Daniel 9:24-27; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13:8-9; 14; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7]

The time of the end was not in 70 AD .... neither for Israel .... and Matthew 24 is not directed to the "church" of today, but to national Israel and the coming time of Jacob's trouble

Here is what the Lord says about today's professing "church" [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19]

The majority living at the time will enter and experience His coming time of wrath and judgment .... the rest will be kept from it

The dividing line will be drawn here [Romans 11:25]

Then His focus will be upon Israel, however His gospel of salvation will proceed "conquering and to conquer" [Revelation 6:2]

.... but those in the tribulation will have to repent and turn to Him to gain their salvation .... not many will do this [Revelation 9:15-21]

The "Christian" forums have become severely corrupted with false teachers and their disassociated followers today .... no doubt

.... not much left of biblical truth ..... and this is to be expected as the world moves closer to the Lord's coming visitation

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Straightshot
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Message 18 of 27 (767803)
09-02-2015 9:46 AM
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09-01-2015 8:58 PM


Re: According to plan
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report September 1, 2015, 9:35 PM (IDT)
Russia gearing up to be first world power to insert ground forces into Syria

Despite strong denials from Moscow, Russian airborne troops are preparing to land in Syria to fight Islamic State forces. The surprise attack on Monday, Aug. 31, by ISIS forces on the Qadam district of southern Damascus, in which they took over parts of the district - and brought ISIS forces the closest that any Syrian anti-Assad group has ever been to the center of the Syrian capital - is expected to accelerate the Russian military intervention.

Moscow is certainly not ready to endanger the position of President Bashar Assad or his rule in Damascus, and views it as a red line that cannot be crossed. If Russia intervenes militarily in this way, Russia will be the first country from outside the Middle East to send ground forces into the Syrian civil war.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that discussions by the Russo-Syrian Military Commission, which was established last month in Moscow to coordinate the intervention, accelerated during the last few days.

Our intelligence sources point out that the concerted activities of the commission are taking place amid the nearly complete paralysis of the US Central Command-Forward-Jordan (CCFJ), where operations against the rebels in southern Syria, including those holding positions across from Israel’s Golan, are coordinated. Officers from Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are attached to the CCFJ.

Most of the operations of the CCFJ have been halted due to a conflict that erupted between the Syrian rebels and the U.S. Central Command, CENTCOM. The US military is opposed to the rebels cooperating with Al-Qaeda-linked groups, such as the Al-Nusra front, while the rebels claim that this cannot be avoided fir they are to defeat the forces of Bashar Assad and Hizballah.

The paralysis of the CCFJ is spurring the Russians to try to show that their “central command” for Syria is operating without any difficulties.

In recent weeks, the Russians have taken four military steps related to Syria:
1. On Aug. 18, six of Russia’s advanced MIG-31 Foxhound interceptor aircraft landed at the Syrian Air Force’s Mezze Airbase, which is the military section of Damascus international airport. After the fighters landed, they were immediately followed by giant Russian Antonov AN-124 Condor cargo planes carrying 1,000 of Russia’s 9M133 Kornet anti-tank missiles.
The advanced jets are intended to serve as air support for the Russian units that arrive in Syria.
2. Before the Russian planes landed in Damascus, Moscow reached an agreement with Washington for the removal of NATO’s Patriot missile batteries from Turkey. The removal was carried out gradually during the month of August, thus preventing the possibility that NATO Patriot missiles could hit Russian fighters carrying out operations in Syrian airspace.
3. During the last week of August, a large number of Russian troops, mostly logistical teams whose job is to lay the groundwork for the arrival of the combat units, arrived in Syria. The troops were seen in Damascus and in Jablah district of Lattakia province, where the Russian forces are building a military base.
4. Our intelligence sources also report that Moscow has started to supply Damascus with satellite imagery of the ground situation on the different fronts.

DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources report that all of these preparatory steps by Moscow for the introduction of ground forces are being carried out in coordination with Washington and Tehran.
The more that the three capitals tighten their coordination in support of Assad, the sooner the Russian intervention is expected to take place.

My comment

How effective will the Russian involvement against ISIS be? ..... not certain .... it was the Russians who were run out of Afghanistan by the Taliban long ago

My guess .... Russia would be better off to stay out of the conflict .... Putin's objective is to keep some active presence in the Middle East along with his support of Assad of Syria, Hezbollah, and Iran ... and Russian fear of radical Muslims at their doorstep of the Caucasus divide

What I do see is that all nations including the Middle Eastern states are being drawn into the upheaval raging around Israel [Zechariah 12:1-12; Luke 21:20-36]

Daniel 11:44 also gives a view of the fate of the nations to the far east and north outside of the Middle East who will oppose the king of the northern Middle East .... Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-44; 12:7]

I believe that the northern opposition will come from Russia

Some believe that Russia is one of the subjects of Ezekiel 38 .... I do not

The Lord is addressing Satan [gog] in this passage of scripture who will attack Israel from the immediate north of Israel [Syria/Iraq territory today] by his beast in the little horn, the coming Muslim Caliph [Ezekiel 38:17]

The Russians will end up being this one's victims


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Message 19 of 27 (767816)
09-02-2015 12:20 PM
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09-01-2015 8:58 PM


Re: According to plan
Straightshot writes:

Here is what the Lord says about today's professing "church" [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19]


So how can we tell you from today's professing church? How do we know whether you're a wise virgin or a foolish virgin?

Shall we know thee by thy works - e.g. thy behaviour on this forum?


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Straightshot
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Message 20 of 27 (767842)
09-02-2015 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by ringo
09-02-2015 12:20 PM


Re: According to plan
Here are the 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms of the beast of Revelation's unfolding:

Satan's beast is abaddon/Apollyon .... his "antichrist" [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-17:18]

This rebel angel is the angelic king of the abyss where the Lord has reserved a place for a part of the fallen angels [2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6]

Satan is the "god" of this present world and he has selected Abaddon/Apollyon to specifically rule over human 7 successive kingdoms and the several related king positions in the Middle East [2 Corinthians 4:4]

The 7 kingdoms are referred to as "heads" in Revelation's unfolding [Revelation 13:1-4]

5 of the assigned kingdoms are now historical, sequentially described in the prophetic scriptures, and also a matter of recorded history .... 2 more are still pending .... and will come one after the other

This seems strange that a fallen angel could rule over all of these human kingdoms extending for a long period of time .... this is possible for the created angles which do not die until the time appointed at their judgment of the great day of the Lord that is to come [Jude 1:6]

Here are Abaddon's 7 kingdoms which have been and will be centered in the Middle East in the region of northwestern Mesopotamia [Syria/Iraq today]

His 5th kingdom [head] fell [was "wounded"] just before the first century .... and his 6th kingdom [head] will be healed at the time of the end still pending

The scriptures describe the kingdoms by their core habitations in the land area that they occupy, and it is this same region that all 7 have, and will have, their origins

Here they are going forward from the Noahic flood:

The land of Magog first settled by Magog and his brothers Mesheck and Tobal [the grandsons of Noah]

This kingdom originating in northwestern Mesopotamia, the 1st of the 7 human kingdoms of the beast which existed for about 500 years after the flood and was centered in the region of Mosul, Iraq today

There was another contemporary and like human kingdom located in south eastern Mesopotamia originating in the land of Nimrod where the tower of Babel was erected in the land of Shinar of the southern Babylonians [Genesis 10:8-10]

Asshur and his people left this southern kingdom of Babylonia and migrated northward to build Nineveh on the Tigris River in northwestern Mesopotamia [Genesis 10:11]

And it is at Nineveh where the mighty Assyrian Empire of the Middle East came to in to existence

These northern Babylonians displaced Magog and his brothers and drove them over the Caucasus divide, and the core of the Assyrian Empire was born [Nineveh province of Mosul, Iraq today] .... the 2nd kingdom of the beast

Then the southern Babylonian kingdom of the Chaldeans conquered the northern Assyrians and the neo-Babylonian Empire of Nebuchadnezzar then ruled the Middle East .... the 3rd kingdom of the beast [Daniel 2:1-30]

It was the prophet Daniel who, moving forward from the neo-Babylon rule then projected the next and 4th kingdom of the beast, Medo/Persia

This empire was then conquered by Alexander the Great which produced the next and 5th kingdom of the beast, the northern Seleucid kingdom [Syria/Iraq today] which included most of the Middle East except for the other divide of Alexander's holdings, the Ptolemaic kings of Egypt

Antiochus IV was the last king of the Seleucid kingdom of the north, and his successor will be the human little horn of Daniel's visions .... at the time appointed and still pending as we speak [Daniel 11:21-35] .... [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7]

Daniel projects the last 4 of the 7 kingdoms of the beast beginning with neo-Babylon ending with the 4th [the 7th of 7], the kingdom of the little horn [the 11th king of the set] who will rule the Middle East with the 10 other kings at the time appointed .... the time of the end of this present age

Satan's beast rules over all 7 of these human Middle Eastern kingdoms and related king positions .... 5 have fallen and 2 more are coming .... the 1st [6th of the set] will be a smaller ["little"] kingdom centered in Syria/Iraq at the beginning of the coming tribulation period .... this is why his last human king is called a "little" horn

This same king will expand the 6th kingdom into the 7th larger divided kingdom and will rule with the 10 other contemporary human kings .... the Middle Eastern kingdom of iron and clay, the same as the 4th kingdom of [Daniel 2:40-43; 7; 8; 11:36-45]

Notice the relationship between Daniel's visions and Revelation's view of the same 7th kingdom

The current setting in the Middle East resembles the beginnings of the little horn's 6th and smaller kingdom in the very same region in northwestern Mesopotamia .... this location is occupied by the Muslim terrorists of the Islamic state

The little horn who will be a Muslim Caliph will appear as such at the very beginning of the coming tribulation

.... and Abaddon will be released from the abyss where he has been since the fall of his 5th kingdom to rule through the little horn over his 6th and 7th kingdoms

When the little horn is fully possessed by Abaddon, this angelic prince of the abyss will become the little horn and hence the 8th king ruling over his 7th and final Middle Eastern kingdom [Micah 5:5-6; Revelation 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

The attack upon Israel will come at the beginning of the last half of the 70th week of the 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel .... the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Psalms 83; Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 36:1-5; 38; 39; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Obadiah 1:1-21; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 11:2; 12:6; 12:7] .... same as the coming tribulation of the Lord's hour of trial and judgment upon an unbelieving world [Revelation 6:12-17]

Notice that Asshur will lead the other Islamic states of the Middle East adjacent to Israel in the attack [Psalms 83:8] .... and also the outer Islamic nations further away the same [Ezekiel 38]

The little horn will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for the last half of the 1260 days of the 2520 day 70th week decreed [3.5 years, a time, times, and 1/2 time] ... and he will kill many, and scatter the balance of Israel who will flee from him [Zechariah 14:4-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

Then the Lord will confront him at the battle of Armageddon which will last for another 30 days [Daniel 12:11] ... He will destroy the beast and his human followers and then appear to the mortal earth dwellers of Israel and the nations that will survive the coming tribulation [Ezekiel 38; 39; Micah 5:9-15; Zechariah 14:1-3; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-24]

He will then gather all of them in the next 45 days and separate them, sheep from goat [Daniel 12:12] .... the believing sheep will enter and populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Micah 3:1-4; 5:7-8], and the unbelieving goats will be rejected because of their disdain for Israel during the time of Jacob's trouble [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]

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Straightshot
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Message 21 of 27 (767854)
09-02-2015 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Straightshot
09-02-2015 3:47 PM


Re: According to plan
Obama has empowered Islamic Iran with His removal of economic sanctions as part of the nuclear agreement allowing the rogue state to continue building a bomb

"We will continue defending not just our own country, but also all the oppressed people of the world, especially those countries standing on the forefront of confrontation with the Zionists."

A/P - REUTERS September 2, 2015

Senior Iranian officials continued their rhetoric against Israel on Wednesday, with Revolutionary Guards Tehran commander Brig.-Gen. Mohsen Kazzemeini saying military preparedness would be increased until “it overthrows Israel and liberates Palestine.”

“And we will continue defending not just our own country, but also all the oppressed people of the world, especially those countries that are standing on the forefront of confrontation with the Zionists,” he said, Iran’s Fars News Agency reported.

The comments came during massive military drills in Tehran that included 250,000 Basij volunteer paramilitary forces.

On Tuesday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called for forces at the Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base to increase their readiness.

“You should permanently enhance your preparedness and options for confronting different threats,” said the Iranian leader at a visit to the air defense base, Fars reported.

“The vital defense sensitivities and concerns indicate this reality that you should identify the vulnerable points and all possible enemy methods and work out specific plans and ways to confront all of them,” he added.

The Islamic Republic also unveiled two new domestically built radar systems that supposedly are capable of detecting radar-evading targets.

Iran is increasing its defenses near its nuclear facilities because it fears an Israeli attack before the nuclear deal with Western powers is finalized, Israel’s Channel 10 reported Tuesday evening.

Pictures published in the Iranian media showed a military exercise that included placing anti-aircraft missiles near the Bushehr nuclear facility.

Earlier this week, according to the Tasnim News Agency, Iranian military experts upgraded the Talash air defense missile system, which can target high-altitude aircraft.

Meanwhile, Iran’s Arab and Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian met with Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut on Wednesday.

Nasrallah congratulated the Iranian diplomat on the nuclear deal reached with world powers and expressed anger at “war crimes” committed by Israel against the Palestinians, state news agency IRNA reported. The Hezbollah leader said the “resistance” would thwart any Israeli threats to Lebanon.

On Tuesday, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif met in Tunisia with Rachid Ghannouchi, the head of that country’s Islamist Ennahda movement, and called on Muslims to form “a united front against the Zionist enemy,” Iran’s Al Alam website reported.

My comment

Iran [modern day Persia] will confederate under the coming Muslim Caliphate of Syria/Iraq who will attack Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed for the nation [Ezekiel 38:5]

This means that that the Caliph will have Iranian nukes at his disposal .... and he will use them [Daniel 11:44; Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18]

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jar
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Message 22 of 27 (767876)
09-02-2015 10:51 PM


An example of why "Biblical Christians" really are the greatest threat in the world
It is sad that there could actually be anyone who could consider what you describe as "going according to the plan" as anything but the rantings of those who worship, promote and market an evil demigod, one who can only be despised, rejected, pitied, opposed and condemned by any moral person.

Thank God you are simply following the classic dishonesty of "Biblical Christianity" and the Christian Cult of Ignorance and that the vast majority of Americans recognize your carny con games as the pathetic ramblings of those who never matured beyond infancy.

Hopefully this may help to restrain the terrorist nation known as Israel.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 23 of 27 (767877)
09-02-2015 10:55 PM
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09-02-2015 10:51 PM


Re: An example of why "Biblical Christians" really are the greatest threat in the world
When speaking of fundamentalists, don't forget the "Koranic Muslims."

They're not a bundle of laughs either.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Straightshot
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Message 24 of 27 (767891)
09-03-2015 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Coyote
09-02-2015 10:55 PM


Re: Israel and the Middle East
« Breaking News »
ISIS claims attack on a Russian military base in Dagestan
DEBKAfile September 3, 2015, 8:21 AM (IDT)

The Islamic State group operating in the North Caucasus region of Russia claimed Wednesday to have attacked a Russian military base in the southern Dagestan region, according to American sources. The alleged attack was not confirmed and their was no information about casualties. ISIS has long been recruiting experienced fighters in this predominantly Muslim region for its war in Syria and Iraq - especially among Chechens. In November 2014, the leader of the Caucasus Emirate terror group was ousted from his position when mid-level commanders switched their allegiance to Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

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Message 25 of 27 (767892)
09-03-2015 7:41 AM
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09-02-2015 10:55 PM


Re: An example of why "Biblical Christians" really are the greatest threat in the world
True, but they are also not much of a threat fore the foreseeable future.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Straightshot
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Message 26 of 27 (767893)
09-03-2015 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
09-03-2015 7:41 AM


Re: Israel and the Middle East
DebkaFiles, September 3, 2015

Instead of constantly smacking Israel with criticism, the Obama administration and its European comrades should be praising the Jewish state.

The entire free world owes Israel an enormous debt of gratitude.

Were it not for a prescient strike against a Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007, which foreign media sources credit Israel with carrying out, the fanatics of Islamic State would now be in possession of their own nuclear facility.

This revelation came to light thanks to a recent article on the NK News website by former US diplomat Dennis P. Halpin, who highlighted an intriguing tidbit of information that was otherwise almost completely ignored by the mainstream press.

Back on June 30, the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security, which aims to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, posted a satellite imagery brief which revealed that, “The destroyed reactor site in Syria is now under the control of ISIL/Daesh [Islamic State, or IS], which is apparently dismantling and possibly conducting excavation activities at the site.”

Halpin, who is currently a visiting scholar at the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University, was the first to point out the significance of the satellite data and he did not mince words in describing it: “If it were not for ‘Operation Orchard’ – the Israeli air strike conducted on the Al Kibar reactor on September 6, 2007 – ISIL fighters could well be armed today with atomic weaponry rather than just captured U.S. tanks and Kalashnikov rifles.”

According to foreign media reports, Israeli special forces along with aircraft hit the atomic facility, which the Syrian government was building with help from North Korea, in the Deir ez-Zor region of the country.

On April 24, 2008, more than seven months later, the White House press secretary issued an unusual statement saying that Syria had indeed been “building a covert nuclear reactor in its eastern desert capable of producing plutonium.”

Based on intelligence, the US said there was “good reason to believe that reactor, which was damaged beyond repair on September 6 of last year, was not intended for peaceful purposes,” and it noted that “after it was destroyed, the regime moved quickly to bury evidence of its existence. This cover-up only served to reinforce our confidence that this reactor was not intended for peaceful activities.”

Now jump back to the present, and consider what the current situation might be had that Syrian reactor been left in place: it would now be in the hands of IS.

Just the thought of a nuclear-armed Islamic State, which enthusiastically revels in the shedding of blood, should be enough to send chills down the spine.

The group, which now controls swathes of Iraq and Syria equivalent in size to Great Britain, has made headlines over the past year thanks to its expansionist and genocidal ideology, and aims to establish an Islamic caliphate in order to rule the world.

It has shown a penchant for the macabre, releasing videos in which its fighters have proudly beheaded, crucified or burned captives alive.

And as the BBC’s Andrew Hosken notes in his new book, Empire of Fear: Inside the Islamic State, the terrorist group’s objective is to take over the entire Middle East, all of North Africa and even parts of Europe by 2020.

Hosken is also convinced, as he told the UK Daily Express on August 11, that IS would not hesitate to employ chemical, biological or nuclear weapons to achieve its goals.

“If they had weapons of mass destruction, they would use them,” he said, adding, “There is no question about that.”

Needless to say, when the Syrian reactor was destroyed eight years ago, there were those who were quick to criticize the Jewish state for its actions.

Mohamed El Baradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told CNN that the Israeli attack “to me is very distressful.” If countries had information about covert nuclear programs, “they should come to us,” he said.

In retrospect, it is now clear just how judicious Israel’s preemptive attack was, for it not only prevented the brutal regime of Bashar Assad from developing nuclear weapons, but also averted a scenario in which IS would have its bloodstained fingers on the nuclear trigger, able to blackmail the world.

El Baradei and others who lambasted Israel for its actions owe the Jewish state a heartfelt apology.

Islamic State’s capture of the bombed-out Syrian reactor once again underlines Israel’s central – and often underappreciated – role on the front lines of the West’s struggle against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

Instead of constantly smacking Israel with criticism, the Obama administration and its European comrades should be praising the Jewish state.

Israel remains the Western world’s only reliable ally in the Middle East, a bulwark against the forces of darkness and despotism.

Indeed, by taking out the Syrian reactor, Israel may very well have saved humanity from the prospect of a nuclear-armed IS wreaking havoc in the Middle East and beyond.

And for that, the world has Israel to thank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeHc4vbQrNY

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Message 27 of 27 (768019)
09-04-2015 3:50 PM
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09-03-2015 7:47 AM


Re: Israel and the Middle East
The nuclear chess game begins: Iran plays for sanctions relief before compliance with dealDEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis September 4, 2015, 7:19 PM (IDT)

The crowing this week over Barack Obama’s success in gaining congressional support for his Iranian nuclear deal against Binyamin Netanyahu’s defeat was premature. The July 14 Vienna deal between Iran and six world powers was just the first round of the game. Decisive rounds are still to come, before either of the two can be said to have won or lost.

The biggest outstanding hurdle in the path of the accord is Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his silence on where he stands on the deal whether by a yea or a nay.

Without his nod, nothing goes forward in the revolutionary republic. So the nuclear accord is not yet home and dry either in Tehran or even in Washington.

While Obama gathered congressional support in Washington for the accord to pass, Khamenei made three quiet yet deadly remarks:

1. “Sanctions against Tehran must be lifted completely rather than suspended. If the framework of sanctions is to be maintained, then why did we negotiate?”

White House spokesman Josh Earnest answered him: “Iran will only see sanctions relief if it complies with the nuclear deal.”

There lies the rub. For the Obama administration, it is clear that Iran must first comply with the accord before sanctions are eased, whereas Tehran deems the accord moot until sanctions are lifted – regardless of its approval by the US Congress.

Here is the first stalemate, and not the last. DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources foresee long, exhausting rounds ahead that could drag on longer even than the protracted negotiations, which Secretary of State John Kerry and Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif brought to a close in Vienna.

2. Khamenei next took the step of referring the accord to the Majlis (parliament) for approval, pretending that to be legally in force, the accord requires a majority vote by the parliament in Tehran. He put it this way, “I believe… that it is not in the interest of the majlis to be sidelined.”

This step was in fact designed to sideline President Hassan Rouhani, on whom Obama and Kerry counted to get the nuclear deal through, and snatch from him the authority for signing it – or even determining which body had this competence.

It had been the intention of Rouhani and Zarif to put the accord before the 12-member Council of Guardians for their formal endorsement. But Khamenei pulled this rug out from under their feet and kept the decision out of the hands of the accord’s proponents.

3. His next step was to declare with a straight face: “I have no recommendation for the majlis on how to examine it. It is up to the representatives of the nation to decide whether to reject or ratify it.”

This step in the nuclear chess game was meant to show American democracy up in a poor light compared to that of the Revolutionary Republic (sic). While Obama worked hard to bring his influence to bear on Congress he, Khamenei, refrained from leaning on the lawmakers, who were freed to vote fair and square on the deal’s merits.

This of course is a charade. Our Iranian sources point out that the ayatollah exercises dictatorial control over the majlis through his minion, Speaker Ali Larijani. He has absolute trust in the lawmakers never reaching any decision on the nuclear deal, or anything else, without his say-so.

Congressional approval in Washington of the nuclear accord may give President Obama a fine boost but will be an empty gesture for winning endorsement in Tehran. It might even be counter-productive if American lawmakers carry out their intention of hedging the nuclear deal round with stipulations binding Iran to full compliance with the commitments it undertook in Vienna, or also continue to live with existing sanctions or even face new ones.

Netanyahu and the Israeli lobby AIPAC, far from experiencing defeat in their campaign to prevent a nuclear-armed Iran, are well fired up for the next round: the fight for sanctions.

Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.


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