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Faith
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Message 1891 of 2099 (831292)
04-14-2018 7:36 PM
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04-14-2018 7:34 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
There is nothing "local" about the geological strata -- or rock Systems if you prefer -- of the geological column. They extend for hundreds of thousands of square miles, some more, a LOT more, some less, but they are never "local."

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Faith
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Message 1892 of 2099 (831293)
04-14-2018 7:54 PM
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04-14-2018 7:28 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
There wouldn't have been cities and towns and highway systems in former "eras" of course, but there must have been hills and valleys to present obstacles to hundreds of thousands pf square miles of straight flat sedimentary layers.

But gee, there weren't.

Amazing.

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Message 1893 of 2099 (831294)
04-14-2018 8:47 PM
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04-14-2018 7:36 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:

There is nothing "local" about the geological strata -- or rock Systems if you prefer -- of the geological column. They extend for hundreds of thousands of square miles, some more, a LOT more, some less, but they are never "local."

You really need to learn to read. Or try honesty.

The things found near a fossil, are those things that were local to the area where the fossil lived. All points are local.


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Message 1894 of 2099 (831295)
04-14-2018 8:51 PM
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04-14-2018 7:54 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:

There wouldn't have been cities and towns and highway systems in former "eras" of course, but there must have been hills and valleys to present obstacles to hundreds of thousands pf square miles of straight flat sedimentary layers.

But there was and you have been shown examples of such things a brazillion times and only your selective memory or dishonesty allows you to claim otherwise. You have been show where there were ancient seas, ancient mountains, ancient rivers, ancient swamps and ancient deserts.

You can of course dimple deny having been shown such things but the rest of us understand that is just you denying truth and reality yet again.


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Message 1895 of 2099 (831296)
04-14-2018 10:27 PM
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04-14-2018 7:54 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
There wouldn't have been cities and towns and highway systems in former "eras" of course, but there must have been hills and valleys to present obstacles to hundreds of thousands pf square miles of straight flat sedimentary layers.
But gee, there weren't.

Amazing.


What's really amazing is that you can say that with a straight face. There are plenty of topographic obstacles and they have been shown to you, including the monadnocks in the Grand Canyon, or the Ancestral Rocky Mountains shown here:

How many do you need?


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edge
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Message 1896 of 2099 (831297)
04-14-2018 10:29 PM
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04-14-2018 7:36 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
There is nothing "local" about the geological strata -- or rock Systems if you prefer -- of the geological column. They extend for hundreds of thousands of square miles, some more, a LOT more, some less, but they are never "local."

Please show us a definition wherein a 'stratum' cannot be local.

This is something that you have made up, Faith.


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Message 1897 of 2099 (831298)
04-14-2018 10:35 PM
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04-14-2018 7:28 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
So why don't we see a similar flat straight layer of sediment extending across huge spans of geography now, and collecting all the creatures familiar in our current time period? Of course it would have to extend through cities and towns and highway systems and so on and so forth, collecting lots of those artifacts too. The absurdity and physical impossibility of flat straight layers defining time periods escapes you all. Too bad. I guess the cosmos is going to have to roll up like a scroll before you see it.

Well, we do see such things. For instance the Saharan erg is a continental deposit that, when the African plate subsides will be planed off and appear as a regional formation. The Brazilian shield with its flooded swamps will become one of the largest coal fields in the geological record. Florida and the Bahamas Banks will become a huge limestone formation. All in due time.
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Message 1898 of 2099 (831299)
04-14-2018 10:37 PM
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04-14-2018 7:12 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Ah well, so much for fair and honest debate. Nothing you said here makes any more sense than what I was already dealing with.

Of course it doesn't make sense. That's how things are when you don't understand something.
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Faith
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Message 1899 of 2099 (831300)
04-14-2018 10:38 PM
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04-14-2018 10:29 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Please show us a definition wherein a 'stratum' cannot be local.

So in your dictionary a few hundred square miles of the sme or similar sedimentary rock considered to be continuous and containing only fossils identified with a particular Time Period, can be called "local?"


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Faith
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Message 1900 of 2099 (831301)
04-14-2018 10:53 PM
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04-14-2018 10:35 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
So why don't we see a similar flat straight layer of sediment extending across huge spans of geography now, and collecting all the creatures familiar in our current time period? Of course it would have to extend through cities and towns and highway systems and so on and so forth, collecting lots of those artifacts too. The absurdity and physical impossibility of flat straight layers defining time periods escapes you all. Too bad. I guess the cosmos is going to have to roll up like a scroll before you see it.

Well, we do see such things. For instance the Saharan erg is a continental deposit that, when the African plate subsides will be planed off and appear as a regional formation. The Brazilian shield with its flooded swamps will become one of the largest coal fields in the geological record. Florida and the Bahamas Banks will become a huge limestone formation. All in due time.

I see. And do the Saharan erg, the Brazilian shield, and the Florida/Bahamian Banks lie over respective stacks of similarly extensive flat straight sedimentary layers identifiable with earlier Time Periods as all the layers/Systems of the currently identifiable Geological column do, and if not, why should anyone consider them to have anything to do with the Geological Column and its corresponding Geological Timescale at all, rather than just sand and swampy stuff that could turn to coal and whatever calcareous stuff could possibly turn into limestone, but who knows if any of it really will? If you're going to assert that any of this is related to the Geological Column shouldn't there be more similarity with the Geological Column, in form and location?

So for hundreds of millions of years we got one rock System on top of another spanning most of North America, and now we're getting no more and we're supposed to believe that the Geological Column just abasndoned North America after all that time?

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Faith
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Message 1901 of 2099 (831302)
04-14-2018 11:00 PM
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04-14-2018 10:37 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
much for fair and honest debate. Nothing you said here makes any more sense than what I was already dealing with.

Of course it doesn't make sense. That's how things are when you don't understand something.

Or how they look when you understand them as the wrong interpretations of the obsolete false paradigm that needs to be overturned.


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Message 1902 of 2099 (831303)
04-14-2018 11:06 PM
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04-14-2018 10:38 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Ah well, so much for fair and honest debate. Nothing you said here makes any more sense than what I was already dealing with.

No one said that every formation is local.
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Faith
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Message 1903 of 2099 (831304)
04-14-2018 11:10 PM
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04-14-2018 10:27 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
There wouldn't have been cities and towns and highway systems in former "eras" of course, but there must have been hills and valleys to present obstacles to hundreds of thousands pf square miles of straight flat sedimentary layers.

But gee, there weren't.

Amazing.

What's really amazing is that you can say that with a straight face. There are plenty of topographic obstacles and they have been shown to you, including the monadnocks in the Grand Canyon, or the Ancestral Rocky Mountains shown here:

That very white diagram with its fine line graphics is very hard for me to read, but I think I get the idea. It's like many others you have posted in the past.

I'm thinking of the maps that show continuous deposition of layers or Systems or even the six "transgressions" (Sauk to Zuni) as blocks, spanning most of the continent with no breaks clearly identifiable with obstacles.

What your diagram depicts is what happened after all the strata had been in place for some time and for originally higher layers to have eroded away (at the end of the Flood), and long enough for the salt layer to sink. In other words that sink wasn't there when the formation was originally deposited so it couldn't have been an obstacle to its extensive straight flat form.

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Message 1904 of 2099 (831305)
04-14-2018 11:12 PM
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04-14-2018 10:53 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
I see. And do the Saharan erg, the Brazilian shield, and the Florida/Bahamian Banks lie over respective stacks of similarly extensive flat straight sedimentary layers identifiable with earlier Time Periods as all the layers/Systems of the currently identifiable Geological column do, and if not, why should anyone consider them to have anything to do with the Geological Column and its corresponding Geological Timescale at all, rather than just sand and swampy stuff that could turn to coal and whatever calcareous stuff could possibly turn into limestone, but who knows if any of it really will? If you're going to assert that any of this is related to the Geological Column shouldn't there be more similarity with the Geological Column, in form and location?

Why should they overly anything in particular?

Please provide your definition of stratum where it must overlie other strata.

And as I said, if they are subject to subsidence and cover by seawater. There are no guarantees of preservation. You asked where this kind of deposition is going on, so I told you.

Why would they not become part of the stratigraphic column if they were buried under future sediments?

So for hundreds of millions of years we got one rock System on top of another spanning most of North America, and now we're getting no more and we're supposed to believe that the Geological Column just abasndoned North America after all that time?

This is gibberish.

First of all, we are getting deposition right now, and who believes that the the geological columh could just 'abandon' anything?

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edge
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Message 1905 of 2099 (831306)
04-14-2018 11:13 PM
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04-14-2018 11:00 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Or how they look when you understand them as the wrong interpretations of the obsolete false paradigm that needs to be overturned.

I'm sorry, but mostly, they do make sense to me.

Your argument is just another strawman.


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