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Dredge
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Message 631 of 2886 (826325)
12-28-2017 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 624 by RAZD
12-26-2017 5:12 PM


Re: theory and the scientific process
Thank you for providing this information.
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Dredge
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Message 632 of 2886 (826326)
12-28-2017 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by edge
12-27-2017 6:18 PM


Re: what a pathetic God/World/Univers Dredge markets
I'm not a YEC.
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RAZD
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Message 633 of 2886 (826329)
12-29-2017 7:31 AM
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12-27-2017 6:18 PM


Dredge Creationism
Obviously, YECs are good at judging things.

I think Dredge is somewhere between OEC and Gap Creationist.

An old earth does not bother him or his beliefs, old life does.

But the logic pitfalls that hobble YEC also hobble other forms of Christian creationism, especially in regards to fossils and the evidence they provide for (1) the earliest life being single cell prokaryotes similar to modern blue-green algae, and (2) the natural history of life on earth falling into nested hierarchies based on homologies and shared derived features.

There are also Hindu Old Age Creationists and Muslim Young Earth Creationists, so a better inclusive term is just Creationist.

Enjoy

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Message 634 of 2886 (826334)
12-29-2017 8:26 AM
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12-29-2017 7:31 AM


Re: Dredge Creationism
I tend to see myself as a Cosmological Creationist in that I believe that the universe logically has a Creator...but beyond that I dont emphasize this whole earth creationism thing...apart from perhaps the motives, workings, and intentions of the human soul. I feel that limiting my belief to what one book says is crippling my objectivity. Not that I don't respect the Bible. I believe that the GOD whom I believe in would not disapprove of my inquisitive nature.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 635 of 2886 (826341)
12-29-2017 8:58 AM
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12-29-2017 8:26 AM


Phat Creationism
I tend to see myself as a Cosmological Creationist in that I believe that the universe logically has a Creator ...

You are evolving into a Deist ...


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AlexCaledin
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Message 636 of 2886 (826650)
01-06-2018 4:26 AM


Anyway, may the devils make in the depth of the earth such stupid fossil as the stupidest evolutionist can desire to find!
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Message 637 of 2886 (826663)
01-06-2018 10:56 AM
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01-06-2018 4:26 AM


Anyway, may the devils make in the depth of the earth such stupid fossil as the stupidest evolutionist can desire to find!

With comments such as that you expose yourself as nothing but a religion-obsessed troll.

I certainly wouldn't mind if you took your trolling elsewhere.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 638 of 2886 (826682)
01-06-2018 10:27 PM
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01-06-2018 4:26 AM


Anyway, may the devils make in the depth of the earth such stupid fossil as the stupidest evolutionist can desire to find!

Not going to happen, because devils are not so stupid as to waste their time with such efforts.

Instead, they will create false theologies like "creation science" which teach its followers that the universe being the way that it is, the way that God had created it, disproves God. Not only do devils get an immense return on investment with such false theologies, but they don't even have to do any work -- all they have to do is give that false theology to a creationist who will then spread it with extreme zealousness. Their victims do all the work for them!


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ringo
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Message 639 of 2886 (826699)
01-07-2018 2:54 PM
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01-06-2018 4:26 AM


AlexCaledin writes:

Anyway, may the devils make in the depth of the earth such stupid fossil as the stupidest evolutionist can desire to find!


Why is it that you're afraid to respond to even the stupidest evolutionist? (For the sake of this discussion, that would be me.)
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Message 640 of 2886 (828114)
02-10-2018 1:02 PM


Chimerarachne yingi
Beautifully preserved in amber.

Chimerarachne has spinnerets, making it a spider, but it still has a tail like a basal arachnid.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


  
KyleConno
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Message 641 of 2886 (828254)
02-15-2018 4:53 AM


Believe in Evolution
Of course. There nothing to debate here. Those remains didn't appear all by themselves. There are enough resources online to read about it and Darwin's theory itself.
Just think again. If not evolution, how else did the fossils end up on earth?
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frako
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Message 642 of 2886 (828258)
02-15-2018 6:02 AM
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02-15-2018 4:53 AM


Re: Believe in Evolution
I think the prevailing creationist theory is that the devil put them there to guide us away from god.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 643 of 2886 (828265)
02-15-2018 10:16 AM
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02-15-2018 6:02 AM


Re: Believe in Evolution
That would have been far too much work filled with far too many details to keep straight.

Obviously, Satan merely created a theology that teaches that those fossils and all the other evidence would disprove God. The beauty of that plan is that all he had to do was to give it to some "true Christians" who would then do all the work of spreading it.


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frako
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Message 644 of 2886 (828280)
02-15-2018 2:36 PM
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02-15-2018 10:16 AM


Re: Believe in Evolution
That would have been far too much work filled with far too many details to keep straight.

Whats the power level of satan, it must be at least on the same scale as gods if he was to stand any chance in his revolt. God made the universe in 6 days, how long would it take satan to make all those fossils.

Edited by frako, : satans powerlevel is over 9000


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Faith
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Message 645 of 2886 (828295)
02-15-2018 4:14 PM
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02-15-2018 4:53 AM


Re: Believe in Evolution
If not evolution, how else did the fossils end up on earth?

The worldwide Flood of Noah of course. That was its purpose, to kill everything on the land except those saved on the ark. The fossils are terrific evidence for that event. The Flood would have killed enough creatures to account for the enormous abundance of fossils we actually see, and only the Flood could have created the ideal conditions for fossilization by soaking the land and depositing sediments successively to bury them rapidly.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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