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PaulK
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Message 646 of 2887 (828296)
02-15-2018 4:36 PM
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02-15-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Still trying to deceive people, Faith ?
We know that the Flood couldn’t create the fossil record as we see it. Even you know that. It can’t even explain the abundance.

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Message 647 of 2887 (828297)
02-15-2018 4:46 PM
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02-15-2018 4:36 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
It explains it all quite nicely. In a way a few billion years of selective burial can't possibly. But of course, as usual, you are welcome to your opinion. Not your personal attacks on me, however, though nobody is bothering about those things lately.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 648 of 2887 (828298)
02-15-2018 4:50 PM
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02-15-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Faith writes:
The Flood would have killed enough creatures to account for the enormous abundance of fossils we actually see,...
Don't forget that the flood also sorted fossils so that there's increasing difference from modern forms with increasing depth.
There's a new technique for analyzing fossils that pieces together the remains of proteins from millions and millions of years ago, and when enough data is in it should show that the flood also sorted by increasing protein difference.
Isn't it great - every thread can be turned into a flood discussion!
--Percy

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PaulK
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Message 649 of 2887 (828299)
02-15-2018 4:54 PM
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02-15-2018 4:46 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
quote:
It explains it all quite nicely.
No, and you know it doesn’t
quote:
In a way a few billion years of selective burial can't possibly
The fact that there are too many fossils to be reasonably created by the Flood (remember the discussion of crinoids, for example ?) shows that billions of years of accidents and lesser disasters is a better explanation.
And there is far more, such as the order of the fossil record and the fact that the geological record can’t be reasonably accounted for by the Flood either. All things you know from last discussion.
quote:
Not your personal attacks on me, though of course nobody is bothering about those things lately.
If you want to keep your sins secret then don’t go around flaunting them. And if you insist on displaying them for all to see don’t complain when somebody notices,

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Message 650 of 2887 (828300)
02-15-2018 4:55 PM
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02-15-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
The whole concept of ancient versus modern creatures is an artifact of the ToE to begin with, it's all artificial, and all the physical evidence shows rapid burial of large numbers of creatures at once, and not random burial of normally dying creatures.
And by the way this thread was already about the Flood way back at my first post here.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 651 of 2887 (828301)
02-15-2018 4:57 PM
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02-15-2018 4:54 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Stop lmputing to me opinions of your own that I do not share, and certainly stop accusing me of some kind of sin for simply disagreeing with you.

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PaulK
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Message 652 of 2887 (828302)
02-15-2018 5:02 PM
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02-15-2018 4:57 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
quote:
Stop lmputing to me opinions of your own that I do not share, and certainly stop accusing me of some kind of sin for simply disagreeing with you.
I’m not doing any of that. Why don’t you try being honest for once?

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Message 653 of 2887 (828303)
02-15-2018 5:03 PM
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02-15-2018 5:02 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Point the finger at yourself.

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jar
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Message 654 of 2887 (828304)
02-15-2018 5:12 PM
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02-15-2018 4:46 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Faith writes:
It explains it all quite nicely. In a way a few billion years of selective burial can't possibly. But of course, as usual, you are welcome to your opinion. Not your personal attacks on me, however, though nobody is bothering about those things lately.
Faith, that is a lie and you know it is a lie.
You have NEVER been able to explain how any flood, even one of the Biblical Floods, could sort either the geology or the critters in the order found in reality.
The Biblical Floods are simply myths.

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Message 655 of 2887 (828305)
02-15-2018 5:14 PM
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02-15-2018 5:12 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
The facts as I have given them speak for themselves.
The concept of fossil order is just a weird artifact of the ToE.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 656 of 2887 (828306)
02-15-2018 5:17 PM
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02-15-2018 5:14 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Faith writes:
The facts as I have given them speak for themselves.
The concept of fossil order is just a weird artifact of the ToE.
Faith, that is a lie and you know it is a lie.
You have never presented a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that will sort either the geology or the critters in the order found in reality.

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Message 657 of 2887 (828307)
02-15-2018 5:20 PM
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02-15-2018 5:17 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Liar liar liar liar liar. Can EvCers ever muster an actual argument without such stupid ad hominem accusations?
And I've answered your inane mantra about not having a model many times.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 658 of 2887 (828308)
02-15-2018 5:21 PM
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02-15-2018 5:03 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Yawn. It is a fact that the abundance of fossils is too great to be reasonably explained by the Flood, and it’s certainly come up here before - in threads you have participated in - and you have no reasonable answer. It is certainly NOT true that the Flood is any better than the conventional explanation and you have no argument for that either despite presenting it as a fact.
It is a fact that there is an order to the fossil record that rules out the Flood as a viable explanation and you have no reasonable excuse for not knowing that after the discussions you have participated in.
Likewise it is a fact that the Flood fails to explain the geological record. Evaporites, for instance are not exactly likely to form in the middle of a Flood at all. And you should know that too from past discussions here.

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Message 659 of 2887 (828309)
02-15-2018 5:23 PM
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02-15-2018 5:20 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Faith writes:
Liar liar liar liar liar. Can EvCers ever muster an actual argument without such stupid ad hominem accusations?
And I've answered your inane mantra about not having a model many times
Faith, that is a lie and you know it is a lie.
But you can prove me wrong by presenting the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that will sort the geology and the critters in the order that they are found in reality.

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Message 660 of 2887 (828314)
02-15-2018 7:06 PM
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02-15-2018 5:23 PM


Re: Believe in Evolution
Ages ago even Percy said I'd presented enough reasons for the Flood to be fairly called a model. If I can find it I will post it. I've many times assembled many reasons in favor of the Flood and against the standard interpretation.
Calling people liars is really really bad form.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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