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edge
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Message 721 of 2887 (828550)
02-21-2018 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
02-20-2018 6:10 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Monadnocks do not change the basic flatness. There's just no point in talking to someone who brings up objections like that.
Nonsense. The thickness of the Tapeats has to go to zero feet around the 'monadnocks'. Bright Angel Shale directly overlies the Shinumo. That's pretty significant, don't you think?

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edge
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Message 722 of 2887 (828551)
02-21-2018 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 712 by Faith
02-20-2018 1:01 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Please remember the context: drawings of landscapes with animals in them that look like today's earth surface, not a mudflat or a single-sediment situation, just normal earth surface..
Then how do you get stratigraphic columns like this?
There is no point in continuing this discussion with you because you refuse to understand what I'm talking about.
Simple denial is not understandable.

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PaulK
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Message 723 of 2887 (828552)
02-21-2018 1:40 AM
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02-21-2018 1:26 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
The highest point in Florida is only 345 feet above sea level. I guess that Florida doesn’t count as normal Earth surface to Faith.
I have to say I don’t remember all those drawings including hills 800 foot tall or more. As I remember it, most of them were pretty....flat.

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Faith 
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Message 724 of 2887 (828553)
02-21-2018 4:00 AM
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02-21-2018 1:40 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Really, Paul, that's just more evidence you don't have a clue to what I'm talking about, simple though it is. Altitude has nothing to do with it.

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Faith 
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Message 725 of 2887 (828554)
02-21-2018 4:02 AM
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02-21-2018 1:26 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
That's a very interesting diagram, since it's exactly what I sketched out for what the Grand Canyon layers SHOULD look like, long long ago. That is they should LOOK eroded, which they don't.
In any case I'm talking about the original flatness of course.

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Faith 
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Message 726 of 2887 (828555)
02-21-2018 4:03 AM
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02-21-2018 1:21 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
I'm talking about the original form of the layer for pete's sake. I did think that should be obvious. It's got nothing to do with anything that happened to the layers after they were laid down.

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Faith 
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Message 727 of 2887 (828556)
02-21-2018 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 718 by Dr Adequate
02-20-2018 11:34 PM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Sigh.
How did the sea floor get into the stratigraphic column?
And is all that 70% of the earth's surface that it covers flat like that?
And that isn't as flat as the layers in the column anyway.
And if you bored into the floor would you find layers of disparate sediments beneath it? I doubt it.

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PaulK
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Message 728 of 2887 (828557)
02-21-2018 4:09 AM
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02-21-2018 4:00 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
quote:
Really, Paul, that's just more evidence you don't have a clue to what I'm talking about, simple though it is. Altitude has nothing to do with it.
And that is just silly. Altitude is related to relief.
In fact the lowest point in Florida is at sea level, so in fact the difference between the highest and lowest point is much less than the height of the buried monadnocks. Florida is flatter.

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jar
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Message 729 of 2887 (828559)
02-21-2018 6:55 AM
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02-21-2018 4:06 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Faith writes:
Sigh.
How did the sea floor get into the stratigraphic column?
And is all that 70% of the earth's surface that it covers flat like that?
And that isn't as flat as the layers in the column anyway.
And if you bored into the floor would you find layers of disparate sediments beneath it? I doubt it.
And once again you would be wrong.
Yes Virginia, if you look at any cores taken from drilling into sea floors or even on land you do find distinct layers of disparate sediments.
Faith once again, we have the fossils, we have the geology, we have the cores, we have the sorting and we have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting.
All you have are old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult.
We win!

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Message 730 of 2887 (828567)
02-21-2018 10:06 AM
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02-21-2018 6:55 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Prove it. For a change stop making wild assertions and prove something you are asserting.

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Faith 
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Message 731 of 2887 (828568)
02-21-2018 10:11 AM
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02-21-2018 4:09 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
"Altitude is related to relief?" But what does relief have to do with this discussion?
Nobody is discussing what I'm discussing, this whole thing is ridiculous. I don't know or care whose fault it is but we're all talking at cross purposes.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 732 of 2887 (828569)
02-21-2018 10:14 AM
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02-21-2018 1:21 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
What a waste of time. The point of emphasizing the flatness of the strata is that it couldn't possibly have formed by the usual geological explanations. The rocks are too flat for that. What happened after it was laid down is another subject.
You can't get a slab of rock of the flatness of the strata by burying a landscape, a landscape most likely with a highly irregular surface, and made up perhaps of large plants peculiar to a "time period" and in which odd creatures roam, reptilian etc., and which is composed of all one sediment. The idea is beyond preposterous.
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jar
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Message 733 of 2887 (828570)
02-21-2018 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 730 by Faith
02-21-2018 10:06 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Faith writes:
Prove it. For a change stop making wild assertions and prove something you are asserting.
It has been proven time after time after time and only your utter dishonesty and willful ignorance prevents your acknowledgement of the facts.
Lets step through the list item by item.
The list:
quote:
Faith once again, we have the fossils, we have the geology, we have the cores, we have the sorting and we have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting.
All you have are old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult.
The fossils exist.
The geology exists.
The cores exist.
They are sorted in the order found in reality.
We have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting which is the same processes that go on today over a very long period of time.
The processes exist and can be observed today.
EVERY method of dating, every technology of dating, every observation involved in dating support an Old Earth.
All you have are old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult and you have NEVER presented anything other than old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult.

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Faith 
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Message 734 of 2887 (828571)
02-21-2018 10:55 AM
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02-21-2018 10:44 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
Prove it.
I have not appealed to the Bible once in this discussion, I've only been describing physical features.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Coyote
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Message 735 of 2887 (828572)
02-21-2018 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 734 by Faith
02-21-2018 10:55 AM


Re: A Fair Assessment
I have not appealed to the Bible once in this discussion.
But you have said over and over that the bible supersedes any evidence that contradicts it. All of your claims are based on that one idea.
That belief prevents you from accepting any evidence that we present that goes against your a priori beliefs.
So you don't have to appeal to the bible in this thread as you have told us again and again where you are coming from.
That makes it pretty much a waste of time for us to present evidence to you, doesn't it?

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