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Message 16 of 34 (770208)
10-01-2015 8:00 AM
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09-30-2015 11:44 PM


Re: but ...
I dont see star trek, i think that is fiction

Indeed, and the thesis of the thread was that the mysterious patterns in Star Trek episodes were caused by some unknown Intelligent Designer (ID).

It is nice to finally have a source for that ID.

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Message 17 of 34 (770222)
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Is not a very scientific text, in a classical scientific paper form, but it was very funny and poetic ...

You could say the same of the works of Edward Lear. Which are jolly good in their way, but which would not make a good substitute for actual science.


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10-01-2015 10:53 PM


pssss
I see..

ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally.

Perhaps you dislike that has a spiritual air, but I also dislike your materialism.

You believe that the normal and proper should be yours and I think that your way of seeing things are missing a few fat pieces.

Well, I do not like to continue discussing whether it is just insulting .. and see who is cooler (or child)


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Message 19 of 34 (770224)
10-01-2015 11:02 PM
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Re: pssss
but I also dislike your materialism.

Too bad.

We have evidence based on materialism.

You have only old tribal myths and superstitions and other nonsense.

We win.


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Message 20 of 34 (770225)
10-01-2015 11:19 PM
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10-01-2015 1:35 AM


You say:"Our chemicals organize our circuits, not vice versa."

I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here:

Endogenous bioelectrical networks store non-genetic patterning information during development and regeneration
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...3/jphysiol.2014.271940/pdf

it can be read:

" Studies reveal that the exact channel or pump used to trigger such morphological changes is often irrelevant – many sodium, potassium, chloride, or proton conductances can be used as long as the appropriate bioelectrical state is reached."

PD: I dont know english insults so you are at upper level, woo-hoo.


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Message 21 of 34 (770233)
10-02-2015 6:57 AM
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10-01-2015 11:19 PM


natebelas writes:

I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here:

It's all physics.

PD: I dont know english insults so you are at upper level, woo-hoo.

That is one part of the problem.

I expect strong ideas to show internal coherence and a sharply focused presentation: the more extraordinary the idea, the more important it is to state the central argument clearly and simply, and the greater the demand for extraordinary evidence.

Instead, you dumped a massive load of links to texts, most indecipherable due to poor translation. It might as well be a laundry list or a conspiracy theory of history--no one will read much of it. Why should we? The web is rich with intellectual treasure, ideas coherently formed, clearly presented and evidenced.

I've had some fun at your expense, true. Don't take it too personally, but do think about why.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Message 22 of 34 (770239)
10-02-2015 8:38 AM
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10-01-2015 10:53 PM


what do you want?
ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally.

We have all kinds of arguments, we just can't see anything in your initial post, nor in your followups, that require one. What is your thesis? What is the basis for it? How can we test it?

Perhaps you dislike that has a spiritual air, but I also dislike your materialism.

Curiously I like to think of it as reality based/anchored. As in we know the earth is very very very old based on testable evidence of that age, and based on consilience from many fields of study.

You believe that the normal and proper should be yours and I think that your way of seeing things are missing a few fat pieces.

So what are those pieces, how do you validate them, and how can we test them?

Message 20: You say:"Our chemicals organize our circuits, not vice versa."

I disagree,what is important is physics, for instance here:

If it is physics then you have a testable hypothesis and you have some kind of evidence or basis: what are they?

Don't expect us to read links and debate them, rather take from them you most critical point/s and use the link to support your argument

Keep it simple and clear, and we'll see what transpires.

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Message 23 of 34 (770249)
10-02-2015 11:18 AM


some questions
What is the length of a resonance chain?

How is that length measured?

Why did the collective buy a resonance chain?

Am I part of the collective?

If so, why was I not asked if I even wanted a resonance chain?

What is the frequency of that resonance chain?

How was that measured?

Why must I evolve to synchronize with that resonance chain even though I don't even want a resonance chain or wear any jewelry?


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Message 24 of 34 (770255)
10-02-2015 12:42 PM
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10-01-2015 10:53 PM


Re: pssss
Hi, Natabelas.

natabelas writes:

ye have no any kind of argument, the text I put at the start is written by two active scientists one working at MIT and those have published in Nature and because your materialism of the "chemistry is everything" do not like, simply you seek to ridicule insulting to me personally.

I can't vouch for the rest of the posters, but I was insulting your source personally, not you. It was a poorly written article with a very silly premise, no good evidence in support of it, and far too much "technobabble" (that is, they used a bunch of words that sound science-y, but do not have any clear meaning).

Also, neither of those scientists works at MIT. There is one webpage that says Anirban Bandyopadhyay is "currently a visiting professor in MIT," which means somebody at MIT is hosting him for a collaboration or a short-term teaching/research assignment.

Also, I have no confidence in these writer's understanding of biology. It is not common for medical researchers or physicists to have good training in evolutionary biology, and their discussion of evolution in the article you linked to proves that:

quote:
Based on the discussions above, we proclaim that "perfect killing machines do not rule the world", "the more conscious does", this simple argument is sufficient enough to prove that Darwin's struggle for survival was an illusion, the killing of animals never destroys either of them. The definition of life that Darwin took into account. Nature never selects the better killing machines, nature select better conscious machines.

The very basic criteria that Darwin chosen for "the survival of the fittest" is wrong, it is first of all, every animal species try to capture matter to synchronize with the universal resonance chain more interactively than with the resonance chain of the other animals [9]. Thus, life is a continuous effort to synchronize with the rhythm of the nature and the universe as a whole, there is no "struggle for existence", a life form is more concerned to synchronize its own body. When a species disappear from this planet, it is not because other species kill and wipes out, this is because, environment changes faster than a species could change its body to harmonize with the environment. Therefore, "struggle for existence" is not supreme, we can completely neglect it, yet explain everything about evolution.


Based on this, I would say that Anirban Bandyopadhyay effectively knows nothing about evolution except a couple of "buzzwords," like "struggle for survival" and "survival of the fittest," and he apparently doesn't even understand what these buzzwords are supposed to mean. Evolution was never about "perfect killing machines."

I Googled Bandyopadhyay and found his profile page at NIMS (where he actually works). I found this news article about his "evolutionary circuits." He seems to think that his circuits mimic the natural phenomenon of the "evolution of cancer cells," because they can adaptively respond to a wide range of stimuli. This is not the way biologists use the word "evolution," and it is only vaguely similar to anything that biologists would call "evolution."

Bandyopadhyay is apparently quite a good electronics researcher with some really innovative ideas in the fields of computation and artificial intelligence. But, he made the mistake of overextending: he is not remotely qualified to discuss evolutionary biology, even though he is a visiting professor at MIT.


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Message 25 of 34 (770284)
10-02-2015 8:36 PM
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Blue Jay writes:

quote:
I've found it's generally easier to reverse the polarity of the primary phase modulators, but sometimes I have to use the manual override to bypass the subroutines. Doesn't that sound more efficient to you?

My general process is to throw open the switches on the sonic oscillator and then to step up the reactor power input three more points.


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Message 26 of 34 (770285)
10-02-2015 8:58 PM
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My general process is to throw open the switches on the sonic oscillator and then to step up the reactor power input three more points.

Being careful of course not to cause an inadvertent feed-back through the overlord circuit by damping it with a solution made from refined aged potato extract mixed with a fortified essence of the fruit of Mediterranean vine stirred by the application of magnetic resonance on an olive ...

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Message 27 of 34 (770288)
10-02-2015 9:39 PM
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Geez, you guys like to walk right on the very edge of of ultimate danger don't you?
reverse the polarity of the primary phase modulators

open the switches on the sonic oscillator

application of magnetic resonance on an olive

Are you nuts?

One misstep and and you would reverse the outerstellar fusal reaction. Then you are just one molecube from overloading the volt/mass inverter.

Stop now before it is too early!


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10-02-2015 10:07 PM
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A reminder...
But whatever you do, remember:

Don't cross the streams!

Edited by Coyote, : Fix boo boo


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Message 29 of 34 (770292)
10-03-2015 8:37 AM
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Re: A reminder...
And don't lesnerize.

--Percy


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Message 30 of 34 (770293)
10-03-2015 9:09 AM


well, to see if I can explain better ..

first, targeting high, would be the reference text (at present and as I see it):

Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

In which there is talk of creating an intelligent computer based on the computation by resonance between electromagnetic fields that are structured in a fractal way from low to high scale (and hence different frequencies), ranging from interaction with the field generated by biomolecules to large scale (eg brain) by the synchronized action of neuronal firing. They have based their theory (which have already developed some practical section when read) on how works the human mind and actually themselves are finding clues pointing in that direction as the total control (regardless of chemistry) of microtubular growth using electromagnetic fields:

K protein self-assembly via tunneling current: effect of electromagnetic pumping during spontaneous growth of microtubule
http://www.nature.com/...41203/srep07303/full/srep07303.html

However, apart from the work they have done, for me it is important to see if it can be found important functions of electromagnetic fields on biological systems and at different scales, because if these exist and have an important role may be nothing more and nothing less than a reflection of the fields at different scales pointted above, that is, a reflection of consciousness at different levels.

First, I think it should be noted the water as a fundamental part of the biological systems and because its interaction with electromagnetic fields is not trivial at all. In fact this may be the origin of the complexity, here are some texts on the subject:

" Emilio and other colleagues extended conventional QED theory to the condensed phase of liquids. They show that interaction between the vacuum electromagnetic field and water induces coherent excitations that lead to the formation of large, stable coherent domains (CDs) about 100 nm in diameter, resulting in the condensation into the liquid phase at some critical density. These CDs are present in liquid water at ordinary temperature and pressure, and may be responsible for all the special properties of water including life itself (Arani et al., 1995; Del Giudice, 2007; Del Giudice
Q6 and Vitiello, 2006; Del Giudice et al., 1988, 2010a,b). Each CD of water is effectively a resonating cavity produced by the electromagnetic field that ends up trapping the field because
the photon acquires an imaginary mass, so the frequency of the CD electromagnetic field becomes much smaller than the frequency of the free field with the same wavelength."

" EZ water appears to be 10 times more viscous than bulk water and its refractive index and density about 10% higher. It has many other distinctive properties indicative of structure, including a characteristic peak of light absorption at 270 nm. Emilio and colleagues (Del Giudice, 2007; Del Giudice and Q6 Vitiello, 2006; Del Giudice et al., 2010a,b) suggested that EZ water is a gigantic coherent domain stabilized on the surface of the attractive gel, although the higher density of EZ water rules out the tetrahedral-directed ice-like hydrogen bonds proposed for water in the coherent domains in free solution. Pollack (2013) has indeed proposed an entirely different structure for EZ water."

taken from:

Illuminating Water and Life
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/16/9/4874/pdf

also

" The frequency of the trapped EMF lies in the infrared (IR) region of the spectrum. The oscillation
of the electron clouds of water molecules participating in the coherent dynamics pushes one electron per molecule just below the ionization threshold. Therefore CDs become pools of quasi-free electrons. The presence of a large number of quasi-free electrons in the CDs is the first step of the process allowing coherent water to become an electron donor, this process implying the additional dynamics described in the following."

from:

The origin and the special role of coherent water in living systems
http://emmind.science/...enous_Fields-Mind/General/EZ_Water_(QED_related)/2014_The_origin_and_the_special_role_of_coherent_water_in_living_systems.pdf

An much more with experimental proofs

Exclusion-Zone Dynamics Explored with Microfluidics and Optical Tweezers
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/16/8/4322/htm
Study of the Phase States of Water Close to Nafion Interface
http://www.waterjournal.org/volume-4/bunkin
etc, etc,

Then there are the fields generated by Frohlich modes in different macromolecules

" in Frohlich model vibrational-polar modes are excited by a continuous supply of energy pumped by an external source, while these modes interact with the surrounding medium acting as a thermal bath. The interplay of these two effects—pumping of energy subtracting entropy from the system and dissipative internal effects adding entropy to the system—may lead to the emergence of complex behaviour in the system consisting in what can be called Frohlich effect ¨ : Provided the energy supply is sufficiently large compared with the energy loss, the system attains a stationary state in which the energy that feeds the polar modes is channelled into the modes with the lowest frequencies. The latter largely increase their populations at the expenses of the other higher-in-frequency modes, in a way reminiscent of a Bose–Einstein condensation [7]. This highly excited subset of modes may exhibit long-range phase correlations of an electret type [8].

Frohlich’s synchronous large-scale collective oscillations imply inter-cellular microwave emissions
which would constitute a non-chemical and non-thermal interaction between cells. These oscillations could therefore be revealed by detection of emissions of GHz or THz radiation."

Those have observerd for example in microtubules

" It has been shown that, on application of 1–20 MHz radio-frequency pulses to a heat bath with tubulin dimers, microtubules can assemble orders of magnitude faster in time, suggesting that ultrafast microtubule growth occur through radio-frequency-induced resonant excitation and alignment of tubulin dimers into a cylindrical shape. Besides, the spontaneous emission of coherent 3.1–3.8 MHz signals has also been observed during the subsequent GTP-induced polymerization, and it was found that the resulting microtubules exhibit length-independent electronic and optical properties. Moreover, additional resonance levels were observed when small-molecule drugs bind to tubulin’s docking sites during radio-frequency-induced assembly."

texts extracted from

Fröhlich Condensate: Emergence of Synergetic Dissipative Structures in Information Processing Biological and Condensed Matter Systems
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/3/4/601/htm

There are other possible macromolecules that are related to these emissions including DNA whose solitons are numerous studies. More related texts on

Impact of mitochondrial electric field on modal occupancy in the Fröhlich model of cellular electromagnetism
http://informahealthcare.com/...10.3109/15368378.2012.735207
Nonlinear phenomena of Fröhlich phonons in biololgical media
http://sfm.asm.md/moldphys/2013/vol12/n34/ins_16_rotaru.pdf

And closely related to the next section

Investigating encounter dynamics of biomolecular reactions: long-range resonant interactions versus Brownian collisions
http://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143402261411%20fels.pdf

Yes, there are several issues as different biomolecules interact within the body; within cells is such that there are several possible ways to choose either signaling way that whilst undergoing energy function:

" Studies reveal that the exact channel or pump used to trigger such morphological changes is often irrelevant – many sodium, potassium, chloride, or proton conductances can be used as long as the appropriate bioelectrical state is reached."

from:
Endogenous bioelectrical networks store non-genetic patterning information during development and regeneration
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/...3/jphysiol.2014.271940/pdf

the widespread belief so far is that in the cell medium biomolecules are subject to Brownian motion in which by chance and through a key-lock function interact. However there are some inconsistencies, as they actually have to interact molecules appear ¿¿¿attract remotely??? and the number of reactions is too high to be random only. So ther have been suggested some theories (Resonant Recognition Model with experiments confirmating it) so you can see some papers:

Campos electromagnéticos planares permiten explicar el acople entre péptidos y moléculas de HLA-II
http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?pid=S0325-29572015000...
Cosic’s Resonance Recognition Model for Protein Sequences and Photon Emission Differentiates Lethal and Non-Lethal Ebola Strains: Implications for Treatment
http://file.scirp.org/Html/3-1850109_52972.htm#
Combined Spectral Resonances of Signaling Proteins’ Amino Acids in the ERK-MAP Pathway
Reflect Unique Patterns That Predict Peak Photon Emissions and Universal Energies
http://www.scipress.com/ILCPA.43.10.pdf
On the role of electrodynamic interactions in long-distance biomolecular recognition
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.2477v2.pdf

also in relation to other molecules, there is speculation that I found interesting that arises in the hallucinogenic drugs as some functions in relation to its fluorescence:

" Also the hollow microtubules (neurofibrillae) could act as light guiding structures. According to Jibu et al. their inner diameter of 15 nm is ideal for light guidance free of thermal noise and loss. Other findings that may be of importance in this context, are the strong flurescence properties of the major hallucinogens: LSD, bufetonine, dimethyl-tryptamine, psilocybine, psilocin, iboguanin, harmine, cannabidinol and mescaline. Furthermore it has been shown that hallucinogenic properties of these substances have a direct correlation to their fluorescence properties and their readyness to donate electrons. As hypothesis we propose that the fluorescence interacts physically with the proposed Biophoton mediated cell to cell communication thus producing hallucinations."

Biophotons, hallucinogens, and fluorescence
http://www.sciencedirect.com/...rticle/pii/S0924933811729078

leading to talk of biophotons;It has already been found that they can have a direct relationship with neurons (despite generated in all types of cells) and brain functions.

Convergence of Numbers of Synapses and Quantum Foci Within Human Brain Space: Quantitative Implications of the Photon as the Source of Cognition
http://www.ilcpa.pl/...oads/2013/10/ILCPA-111-2014-59-66.pdf
Spatiotemporal Imaging of Glutamate-Induced Biophotonic Activities and Transmission in Neural Circuits
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3893221/
Ultraweak photon emission in the brain
http://www.researchgate.net/.../55eed2c108ae0af8ee1a5229.pdf
Emission of mitochondrial biophotons and their effect on electrical activity of membrane via microtubules
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1012/1012.3371.pdf
etc, etc..

this involves, along with those generated by other (water, frohlich modes, biomolecules) another layer of electromagnetic fields with specific functions, which contains information and can be part of the total conscious field of the biological system.

It should also be noted that the DNA has electrical characteristics that can react with the electromagnetic field

Electric DNA and Mind
http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/human-brain/electric-dna-mind
Searching for Electrical Properties, Phenomena and Mechanisms in the Construction and Function of Chromosomes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962117/

In several texts included in my web http://emmind.science referring also to the possible relationship of DNA with Biophotons, and also on possible solitons in its structure, adding DNA and chromatin to the very possible (and logically necessary) participants on the informative interaction of electromagnetic fields.

It is also noted that the morphogenesis also be a consequence of these electromagnetic information fields on one way or another (and their settings form part of the consciousness of the system).

Morphogenetic fields in embryogenesis, regeneration, and cancer: Non-local control of complex patterning
http://sites.tufts.edu/biip2012/files/2012/05/Levin2012.pdf
Biomechanical and coherent phenomena in morphogenetic relaxation processes
http://old.chronos.msu.ru/...S/igamberdiev_biomechanical.pdf

more speculative, less tested, they are the texts of Alexis M. Pietak, but I find those interesting

" Similar to the abutilon ovary and squash male flower bud, cells in the female squash ovary in regions that correlate to highest electric field strength have changed into placental tissue cells, while
the six places of high magnetic field strength are also the six places where ova form in the squash ovary."

from:

Electromagnetic resonance and morphogenesis
http://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143056136016%20fels.pdf
Structural evidence for electromagnetic resonance in plant morphogenesis
http://www.omecha.org/...les/Pietak_Biosystems_EMflowers.pdf

To be ending there are several theories linking at least some form of electromagnetic field with consciousness

The CEMI Field Theory: Closing the loop
http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/763034/1/mcfadden_JCS_2013(a).pdf
An integration of integrated information theory with fundamental physics
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...912322/pdf/fpsyg-05-00063.pdf
The origins of the brain's endogenous electromagnetic ¯eld and its relationship to provision of consciousness
http://www.worldscientific.com/.../10.1142/S0219635214400056

and it is not a new idea

The Electromagnetic Nature of Life - The Contribution of W. Sedlak to the Understanding of the Essence of Life
http://www.kul.pl/...cownicy/wnuk/artykuly/Wnuk_i2001s32.pdf

however, seems to me more complete the theory being proposed in the paper cited at the beginning

Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

because is more integrative and include multiple frequencies at multiple scales, I think is the ultimate idea and that makes more sense.

Finally all this leads to a panpsiquista view of consciousness, a philosophy that despite being ignored in modernity has much older tradition (although personally I do not care too much because the former is also wrong often meaning that neither is a fact in favor or against) and strictly modern, still recovering in these times (say postmodern). The idea that a fundamental entity in this case the photon is the first piece of consciousness, the smaller part, a proto-conscious impulse, and that more or less ordered sets of these (the electromagnetic fields in this case) generated consciences more or less complex, including a temporary self.

Some texts on this philosophy

Panpsychism and Panprotopsychism
http://consc.net/papers/panpsychism.pdf
In Defence of Strong Emergentist Panpsychism
http://philpapers.org/archive/SYMIDO.pdf
Mind and matter
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/cib.26658
Realistic monism: why physicalism entails panpsychism
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/...sonRealisticPhysicalism2006.pdf

PD: related to the origin of life and its organization I find interesting as being related to the explained ideas, the following papers of Gargi Mitra-Delmotte and Asoke Nath Mitra

Field-control, phase-transitions, and life’s emergence
http://journal.frontiersin.org/...3389/fphys.2012.00366/full
Softening the “Crystal Scaffold” for Life’s Emergence
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1108/1108.0309.pdf

that is, the conscious impulse orders the matter and this in turn generates more complex consciousness. (For my life and consciousness it is the same, there are only varying degrees of complexity).

PD2: I REPEAT IF ANYONE DONT READ that the reference is the theory that is developed in this paper:
Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28
(which incidentally two of the authors are who created the text on evolution presented at the beginning of the post)

I can put more clues on this, but is sufficiently long ¿no?


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