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Author Topic:   Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?
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Message 234 of 511 (772076)
11-04-2015 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by ICANT
11-03-2015 2:18 AM


Re: ICANT,
ICANT writes:
That means the energy and mass have always existed eternally in the past.
OR..........it came into being from nothing. Poof.
First there was nothing. Then there was something.
Period end of story. We know that much is true. The how and why we do not know yet, you are free to attribute it to Goddidit. But you will get arguments from those who do not require a supernatural scenario. There is nothing wrong with your believing it was God. Except that it is not required to explain the statis quo. It is only required for those who need the certainty.
But certainty can be a trap as well. "There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio than are dreamt in your philosophy"

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 254 of 511 (772208)
11-09-2015 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by ICANT
11-06-2015 6:57 PM


Re: ICANT,
Hello ICANT,
ICANT writes:
How would you propose that could happen without a supernatural power to supply the energy and mass required?
Proposal
link: So as to not post bare links and equations, The proposal that things can come from uncaused causes is a idea that has, and is one of many modern theories, thoughts, dreams, guesses.
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"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 268 of 511 (772226)
11-10-2015 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by ICANT
11-10-2015 3:35 AM


Re: ICANT,
Hello ICANT,
What that sentence was referring to I believe is that because of the uncertainty principal and the strange way reality manifest, it all but impossible to predict quantum events with absolute certainty.
We have had a good many discussions on EVC about absolute knowledge and how it is futile to claim absolute knowledge.
That is why I mentioned earlier that the belief in God as far as I know gives one that Certainty.
Hence why it is so appealing.
The link is but one of thousands of points of view of people who want to know more about our cosmos and how it operates.
I myself think what a boring world it would be if humanity ever finds all the answers. And If indeed God exists;what a small god it would be if God could not construct our universe without the supernatural.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 296 of 511 (772288)
11-11-2015 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by GDR
11-11-2015 4:08 PM


Re: ICANT,
Hi GDR, I always thought that abiogenesis and evolution were not mutually exclusive. Also the origin of the cosmos has nothing to do with either. Invoking the supernatural is for all intents and purposes is intellectual equivalent of saying "it is what it is".

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 306 of 511 (772311)
11-12-2015 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 298 by GDR
11-11-2015 5:05 PM


Choose your flavor
Hi GDR,
GDR writes:
Abiogenesis is necessary for evolution to begin, and there had to be some other process that allowed for abiogenesis, with processes going back to the origin of the cosmos.
Ok you made a connection between those three things.
Like spacetime and matter are necessary for abiogenesis,evolution and the orgin of the cosmos to included my starbucks coffee.
GDR writes:
We make up our own minds about whether the processes that have led up to sentient beings with an understanding of morality are based on an infinite string of mindless processes or is there an intelligent moral first cause.
Yes we can decide to believe the anthropic principal or not.
Some people are content to believe that the only world with God/gods are those with creatures that are there to invoke them.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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