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Author Topic:   Is it moral for God to punish us?
ringo
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Message 4 of 145 (770906)
10-15-2015 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Tanypteryx
10-15-2015 12:23 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
Is Santa Claus really a jolly guy, or is he hiding a deep sadness?
He's clearly compensating for a childhood deprived of toys.

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ringo
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Message 10 of 145 (770953)
10-16-2015 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Stile
10-15-2015 2:55 PM


Stile writes:
Nope, he's fat. That's proof he wasn't deprived of anything as a child.
He tried to substitute food for love.

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Message 14 of 145 (770965)
10-16-2015 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Greatest I am
10-16-2015 12:47 PM


Greatest I am writes:
It is analogous to a painter slashing his own painting.
It's pretty common for painters to paint over a painting they don't like and re-use the canvas. That's a pretty thorough destruction of their creation even if it isn't overtly violent.

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Message 24 of 145 (771028)
10-17-2015 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by NoNukes
10-16-2015 9:25 PM


NoNukes writes:
So you cannot help but commit adultery or to steal your neighbors ox?
It's a really nice ox.

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Message 39 of 145 (771212)
10-22-2015 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by New Cat's Eye
10-22-2015 9:21 AM


Cat Sci writes:
Do you contend that God does not have the power to, say, play a game of chance?
Would He ever be tempted to, say, roll a million sixes in a row?

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Message 57 of 145 (771483)
10-26-2015 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Greatest I am
10-26-2015 9:23 AM


Greatest I am writes:
I like to see how far someone will go to make absurdities seen not so.
That's why we follow your threads. It's entertaining to see you stand on your head and run away at the same time.

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Message 65 of 145 (771662)
10-28-2015 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
10-27-2015 9:04 PM


Re: Who raised Jesus?
Faith writes:
The gnostic words imputed to Jesus simply are not Jesus. His sheep hear His voice and will not follow a fake Jesus.
And the goats bleat, "Lord! Lord!"

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Message 67 of 145 (771756)
10-29-2015 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
10-28-2015 3:50 PM


Re: Who raised Jesus?
Faith writes:
... I prefer to trust a revelation I can tell is honest narrative and inspired by God....
So you don't trust yourself to think for yourself but you trust yourself to choose a revelation.

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Message 87 of 145 (771968)
11-01-2015 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by kbertsche
11-01-2015 1:39 PM


kbertsche writes:
As I've mentioned earlier, it is misleading to call these gnostic writings "gospels".
You seem to be using a self-serving definition of "gospel".

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ringo
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Message 89 of 145 (771970)
11-01-2015 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by kbertsche
11-01-2015 2:36 PM


kbertsche writes:
Calling them both "gospels" is very misleading.
And yet they are called gospels.
You're distinguishing "gospel" from "collection of sayings" apparently in an attempt to discount the gnostic gospels - i.e. to suggest that there was no "original plethora" of gospels. What we're talking about here is information about Jesus' life. I don't think it's legitimate to nitpick about how the information was presented.

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ringo
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Message 91 of 145 (771990)
11-02-2015 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by kbertsche
11-01-2015 10:06 PM


kbertsche writes:
Do you have any evidence that there actually was an "original plethora" of gospels?
The evidence is the apocryphal gospels, non-canonical gospels, Jewish-Christian gospels, and gnostic gospels. You can say what you like about how different they are from the canonical gospels. I just don't think that's a very convincing way to shore up the credibility of the canonical gospels.

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ringo
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Message 94 of 145 (772023)
11-03-2015 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by kbertsche
11-02-2015 6:41 PM


kbertsche writes:
Can you please be more specific? What are the names and dates of some representatives of this "plethora" of alternative "gospels" which existed in the first or early second centuries?
I googled "gospel". And your date restriction is just as irrelevant as your style restriction.
In the context of this topic ("Is it moral for God to punish us?"), it's the content of the "gospels" that's significant, not how or when that content was conveyed. If there's a different in moral teachings, you might have a case.

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ringo
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Message 99 of 145 (772085)
11-05-2015 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by kbertsche
11-04-2015 9:12 PM


kbertsche writes:
Hence, I believe that there were originally only four canonical gospels--not an "original plethora". I believe that the other so-called "gospels" came significantly later than the canonical gospels.
You're just playing with the word "original". Earlier material isn't necessarily original material. As I understand it, there is evidence of cross-copying within the canonical gospels - i.e. they are not all original material. If anything, the differences in the non-canonical gospels make them more authentically "original".
kbertsche writes:
I have asked for evidence that there was an "original plethora" of gospels. This amounts to evidence that a number of these other "gospels" were written in the first or early second centuries.
No. It doesn't. The apocryphal gospels, non-canonical gospels, Jewish-Christian gospels, and gnostic gospels are there, whether you try to nitpick them out of existence or not.

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ringo
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Message 101 of 145 (772094)
11-05-2015 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by kbertsche
11-05-2015 11:44 AM


kbertsche writes:
In his original context, by "original" he seems to mean "contemporaneous with the canonical gospels".
I don't see where he implied any such thing. Since GIA cheered my Message 87, I'm guessing we're on the same page - and we seldom agree on anything.
So your obsession with contemporaneity is irrelevant to the discussion.

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ringo
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Message 138 of 145 (772315)
11-12-2015 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Greatest I am
11-11-2015 11:53 AM


Re: More Gnock Gnock Jokes
Greatest I am writes:
Should a shepherd die for his sheep?
(Ironically posted on Remembrance Day.) A shepherd should be willing to die for his sheep. Dying itself is not an accomplishment but risking one's life for others is.
Greatest I am writes:
Is a shepherd doing the right thing towards his family if he dies for his sheep and leaved his family fatherless?
It may be better than leaving them sheepless.

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