Another one that hurts

How unspeakably Christian. I can see your muscular Jesus now, turning refugee families away, back to the wastelands we helped make of Iraq, Libya and Syria, suffering the little children to die. His Dad will sort them out. Why, they sound like poorly trained dogs! Or the Muslim men who were tortured with stress positions et al. in American prisons in Iraq...That regimen hasn't worked in Afghanistan after centuries of effort; they're regularly bombed back to the stone age, yet, like Vietnam, have managed to humiliate multiple empires. We in the west continue to inherit the whirlwind our ancestors sowed in the 19th and 20th centuries.News Flash: People don't really become docile because they have a boot on their necks.Questions:Once you screen out Muslims by race and national origin, how else do you stop Muslims at the border?In the absence of Muslims, what causes terrorism in other parts of the world?Modern Israel was founded in part due to pressure from Jewish terror campaigns. Should we have forced them into docility instead?

No it won't. I have often condemned Saudi Arabia's support of terrorism. That apparently solved my "hypocrisy" problem (translation: failure to fully agree with dronestar on any subject during discussions of other subjects), but it failed to have any effect on Saudi Arabia. They support the Islamic schools, fundamentalists and training camps for existenstial reasons: else they become a target. They wouldn't stop that support, because they'll still be rich and fearful; they would, however, lose any constraints they feel due to their alliance with the West. Their record is terrible, but they have strong competition for the sobriquet of "world's worst" including North Korea, China, and another dozen states that are outside of the limelight, and the world is fully aware of Saudi Arabia's record. Regardless, all that attention and more wouldn't bother ISIS tomorrow. They would remain rich and powerful. Armaments are available on a global market. How would our renunciation prevent their purchase?Again, you offer nothing with immediate effect. You would be morally and politically gratified by the U.S. cutting ties with Saudi Arabia, but ISIS would merely celebrate the alienation of another Muslim state from the West.You can't bring yourself to propose or approve any efforts to defend against the terrorists who want to kill thousands of your fellow citizens. Your holier-than-thou politics on this point betray a moral hypocrisy that exceeds the hypocrisies you condemn.

Nope. Indeed.

Kamel Daoud, Muslim and anti-Islamist, editor and columnist for the Algerian Quotidien d’Oran, wrote a piece that was translated from the French and published in The New York Times today. Among other things, he says this:

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Daesh has a mother: the invasion of Iraq. But it also has a father: Saudi Arabia and its religious-industrial complex. Until that point is understood, battles may be won, but the war will be lost. Jihadists will be killed, only to be reborn again in future generations and raised on the same books.

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Saudi Arabia, An ISIS That Made ItI thought it would be interesting to hear dronestar's argument from an insider's perspective.Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.