Another one that hurts

How about stop supporting terrorist nations/dictators?

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UK training Saudi forces used to crush Arab spring
UK training Saudi forces used to crush Arab spring | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian

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Saudis’ UK-made war jets outnumber RAF’s
Saudis’ UK-made war jets outnumber RAF’s

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Britain urged to stop providing weapons to Saudi Arabia
Amnesty calls for suspension of arms transfers as group says it has evidence of war crimes in Yemen conflict
Britain urged to stop providing weapons to Saudi Arabia | Arms trade | The Guardian

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Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country | The Independent | The Independent

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"We have met the enemy and she is us." (This could be its own long thread. Very long.)

Can't leave this one out. Filthy ****.

*Blink*Did you read any of my links, particularly the last one?Hmmm. Okay, here's a little bed time story . . .Straggler Sr. and little Straggler Jr. are walking down the street one day. Far down a bleak and dark alley, Straggler sees a dirty five-year-old street urchin. "Come with me Junior" says Straggler Sr. as he takes his son by the hand. With considerable time and effort, over broken boxes and intoxicated bums, they reach the homeless child. Junior watches his dad produce from under his mac, a two-by-four plank with nails protruding from it. "Here ya go" Straggler says as he gives the urchin the weapon. The street-child promptly takes his new plaything and clubs a homeless mother into a bloody mess.Straggler Sr. and Straggler Jr. continue their walk. They stop every few blocks so that Straggler Sr. can give another weapon to another young street-urchin. Whereby the urchin immediately clubs another down-on-their-luck person.Straggler Jr. is bewildered. With tears welling up in his little eyes, Junior asks, "Daddy, why do you continue to give these violent youngsters weapons?"Straggler Senior get's down on his one knee. "Well you see Junior . . . even if I stopped giving weapons to violent children, I still don't think that would stop them from pursuing their aims as they would consider all of that little more than a decent start to the new world order they desire."Little Straggler junior thought about those words to himself. Even at his young age, he knew his father was correct, he could hardly prevent other people's actions. But, thinking further still, we CAN control our OWN actions. So what IS important is what OUR moral actions are. Shouldn't we simply do the right thing, regardless of other people's actions?Most children reach the older teenage years when they discover that their old man is not a moral superhero.But for little Straggler Junior, he found out much sooner.

I think many have interpreted Bush Jr's use of the word 'crusade'
as a recruiting poster for Afghans or Iraqis or Muslims to fight against invaders.Europe cringes at Bush 'crusade' against terrorists
Europe cringes at Bush 'crusade' against terrorists - CSMonitor.com

You are, understandably, angry. So am I. Does this sound like something a Muslim parent in Fallujah would also express after the "bad man" lied about weapons of mass destruction, invaded her nation, destroyed her city, and then shot down her two young sons in cold blood?Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre - WikipediaAll I am saying is, reserve SOME of that anger to the people (Bush Jr, Blair, voters who wanted bloodshed) who supported fanatical violence and their actions which precipitated this recent killing.

We are angry because we loudly protested Bush/Blair/voters NOT to invade Iraq. With impending doom ahead, instead of putting on the car brakes, they stepped on the gas pedal. We have left the edge of the cliff years ago and are currently rapidly advancing downward.What can be done now? Good question, I don't know.But it would need mankind to evolve at an incredible rate.I am betting on the cockroaches.1.61803 thinks some grade A encouragement is the answer. But it seems I heard that type of Algonquin-Round-Table-thinking 12 years ago.

No vimesey! (You're killin' me vimesey, you're killin' me) Not "huge mistakes." Rather, war crimes. Crimes. Of. War. No. There was no Taliban in Iraq before it was invaded. There was no Al Qeuda in Iraq before it was invaded. There was no ISIS in Iraq before it was invaded.The Iraqi invasion precipitated where we are today.The findings at the Nuremburg Trial:

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aggression is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.

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That is why Bush Jr, Blair, and Hitler are in the same league.(Screw Godwin, they are all war criminals)

If we don't learn from our mistakes war crimes, then we repeat them.Say heil to Hitler when you see him.

You know very well when Hitler starts his tirades, there's no squeezing in words edgewise.

I wouldn't be averse to executing war criminals.

Splendid. Music to my ears. Splendid! That means not targeting innocent people which only creates more "terrorists." That is how we got here today. Of course.Thanks Vimesey.

It seems you think I only want justice served in the White House? I assure you I want justice served everywhere, including the Middle East.Targeting civilians is a war crime, no matter who does it or where.I only ask we not be hypocrites about it. That's what got us in this mess.

So, hypothetically, if the US was guilty of fuckin stuff up and killing people and all manner of bad things, like ISIL is doing, you would strongly urge similar consequences to the US, right?

Using Hitler's duplicity as evidence that peace can not work when more people earnestly practice peace?What is wrong with you?