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Percy
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Message 1 of 508 (772422)
11-13-2015 8:24 PM


This is a bad one, see any news source.

AbE: November 2015 Paris attacks

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Add link to Wikipedia entry.


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Message 2 of 508 (772423)
11-13-2015 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
11-13-2015 8:24 PM


Let in tens of thousands of "refuges," almost all of whom are young Arab/muslim males and you expect something different?

What was that definition of "insanity" again?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 3 of 508 (772425)
11-13-2015 10:05 PM


Most likely it's the ones the refugees are running from.
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Message 4 of 508 (772426)
11-13-2015 10:21 PM
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11-13-2015 10:05 PM


Most likely it's the ones the refugees are running from.

Women and children first doesn't seem to be a major part of their culture.

Also, until there is some reliable way to determine which ones are true refuges and which are ticking time bombs, wouldn't it be prudent to halt the overwhelming immigration?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 5 of 508 (772427)
11-14-2015 4:16 AM
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11-13-2015 10:21 PM


Halt the immigration? Prudent??? But but but that would be racist!!!! That wouldn't be politically correct!!! No no no we must let more of them in. We must pretend these are truly refugees and give up everything for them and pretend it's just a tiny minority of .... well somebody else I guess... that's doing the bombing. And the raping too that's going on all over Europe. We must give up our own living spaces for them.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 6 of 508 (772428)
11-14-2015 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
11-14-2015 4:16 AM


God doesn't look so great today, does he?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 7 of 508 (772429)
11-14-2015 4:36 AM
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11-14-2015 4:28 AM


God doesn't look so great today, does he?

I wasn't going to mention it, but it's because Europe has rejected God that Islam is flooding in. Being invaded by enemies is one of the judgments of a nation that God spells out in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. (Economic collapse is another -- Greece?) There's no point in mentioning it because it will only get more scorn and derision and cause for judgment coming from people here. Even Coyote who at least sees the reality of the situation won't accept this as the cause of it because it's all just a tribal delusion according to him. But I can just about guarantee you that if Europeans in significant numbers turned back to the God of the Reformation the judgment would abate. If that doesn't happen you can count on more attacks.

But at least a few people are willing to admit that Muslims are not a good thing for Europe. That's a start.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 8 of 508 (772430)
11-14-2015 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
11-14-2015 4:36 AM


It's the same god Faith - the God of Abraham.

Religion does this sort of thing. Damn the lot of them.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 9 of 508 (772431)
11-14-2015 5:35 AM
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11-14-2015 5:23 AM


Allah is NOT the same God Tangle. He has nothing in common with the God of Abraham. He's one of Satan's inventions.

Religion? When people say that are they thinking at all of the atheist state-caused murders of the last century?

However, Satan DOES do this sort of thing. Sometimes in the guise of a religion, sometimes in the guise of an atheist state.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 10 of 508 (772432)
11-14-2015 5:56 AM
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11-14-2015 5:35 AM


Satan .... ffs, gods, imaginary agents. Childish bollocks.

PEOPLE do these things; superstitious people deluded by fanatical religious belief.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 11 of 508 (772433)
11-14-2015 6:07 AM
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11-14-2015 5:56 AM


Well, there you have it, the very attitude that is going to keep the attacks coming. Sigh.
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Straggler
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Message 12 of 508 (772434)
11-14-2015 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
11-14-2015 4:36 AM


Are you suggesting that Christian nations are safe from Islamic terrorism?

And, with regard to the judgement coming, isn't this judgement something you would welcome? If not soon when would you prefer it to happen given that you presumably consider it an inevibility?


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Faith
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Message 13 of 508 (772435)
11-14-2015 7:29 AM
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11-14-2015 7:19 AM


Are you suggesting that Christian nations are safe from Islamic terrorism?

There aren't any Christian nations any more, but if there were, genuinely Christian nations I mean, nations that committed their safety into God's hands, nations whose leaders prayed and obeyed God's commandments as used to be the case with many European nations and the US as well, preferably the leaders but a large number of citizens might suffice, yes, they'd be safe from terrorism and God's judgment in other forms.

And, with regard to the judgement coming, isn't this judgement something you would welcome? If not soon when would you prefer it to happen given that you presumably consider it an inevibility?

I don't want judgment to happen at all, judgment kills people and makes life miserable.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 14 of 508 (772437)
11-14-2015 7:51 AM


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At least 127 people were murdered last night in terrorist attacks at Paris cafes and restaurants, France's national stadium, and a crowed concert hall. Eight terrorists are known to have died at this time, seven by suicide bombs and one shot and killed by Paris police. The Islamic State has claimed responsibility.

How do we make this stop? Is this like 1940, when it became apparent that peaceful measures had failed and that putting the dictator back in his box would be a formidable challenge? Are we again a year or two late in keeping local troubles from blossoming into a major threat to world peace and stability?

--Percy


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Message 15 of 508 (772439)
11-14-2015 8:01 AM
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11-14-2015 7:29 AM


The period you hark back to of true Christian nations seems to be the same period where these true Christian nations were busy fighting and slaughtering each other.

Faith writes:

judgement kills people and makes life miserable

So is this judgement avoidable or will it inevitably occur sooner or later?


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