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Greatest I am
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Message 211 of 237 (775052)
12-26-2015 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by LamarkNewAge
12-26-2015 1:34 PM


Re: The "Arab League"
LamarkNewAge
Placing Saudi Arabia in charge of it is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
I cannot see that being a Western idea.
Mind you, there might be some value in such a move. Somewhat like letting the stupid dither out how not to be so stupid. Thinking od morals might be the solution to not thinking of morals.
Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
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Message 212 of 237 (775054)
12-26-2015 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Hyroglyphx
12-26-2015 2:38 AM


Hyroglyphx
I guess that you are not aware of Muslim fertility as well as the lack of with whites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6pzPp1Q2ew&feature=playe...
It may not mater to the world that we are all browning up but I think a bit of loyalty is owed the white race that helped bring the West to what it is.
Regards
DL

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Message 213 of 237 (775055)
12-26-2015 2:03 PM
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12-26-2015 12:50 PM


Re: History books
LamarkNewAge
Have you listened to this speaker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4
Regards
DL

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Genomicus
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Message 214 of 237 (775056)
12-26-2015 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Greatest I am
12-25-2015 12:13 PM


Re: Moderator Provided Information
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbF6XfC2X0o
It seems that the experts do not quite agree with you.
Regards
DL
Wow. Just wow. Citing an irrelevant, poorly-made YouTube video as evidence to back up your deeply flawed assertion regarding genetic diversity. When was the last time you studied genetics or picked up a book on genomics?
IOW. You spoke out of turn and cannot back what you said.
Give credit to all but the whites. That is really honest.
It's so hard to debate anything with you because your replies are so short and are not tangible, logical arguments. This is what you were replying to:
(1) "Whiteness" is not a causative agent behind the nature of social and political systems. That Western whites produced certain social and political systems is merely a contingency of history. The "whiteness" of the people is a meaningless correlation.
(2) Sociopolitical systems do not evolve in a vacuum. Study transculturation. I.e., so-called Western institutions have a diverse and varied pedigree. Science, for example, owes much of its structure to Arabia.
You didn't respond to any of those points. You just made an assertion and also failed to respond to the extensive literature I posted which shows your claim that "whites" have more genetic diversity than any other race is a lie.
This seems to indicate that I am correct.
"Neanderthal admixture is present in the DNA of modern Eurasians and Oceanians, and nearly absent in sub-Saharan African populations.
This indicates more diversity in whites.
Do you even know what you are talking about or are you picking up bits and pieces off the web that you think make sense and simply regurgitating it here? If you don't have knowledge about a subject, please take the time to actually learn about it before wasting the time of people who actually know, for example, about the nature and distribution of genetic diversity. You know...people who've actually published in the scientific literature and have done real research.
No, "Neanderthal admixture is present in the DNA of modern Eurasians and Oceanians, and nearly absent in sub-Saharan African populations" has nothing to do with whites having more genetic diversity. That's not even a paper. It's a quote in an article written by an unknown author.
Arguing that because Eurasians and Oceanians (which, by the way, is a very broad group of people who include more than just whites) have traces of a Neanderthal gene flow has nothing do with the extent of genetic diversity in human populations. That's quite ridiculous -- tantamount to arguing that because one human population has a specific gene duplication, it therefore has the most genetic diversity. Of course, anyone familiar with genomics and biology would know that this is absurd -- but I suspect that the preposterous-ness of your argument escapes you.
Anyway, you're still wrong about genetic diversity in whites. To repeat what you failed to respond to:
You're absolutely, categorically wrong when you say whites have the most variety in DNA. Read up on the following papers, then come back and admit that you've erred.
Larger Genetic Differences Within Africans Than Between Africans and Eurasians, 2002.
Minisatellite diversity supports a recent African origin for modern humans, 1996.
Mitochondrial genome variation and the origin of modern humans, 2000.
A map of human genome sequence variation containing 1.42 million single nucleotide polymorphisms, 2001.
The Distribution of Human Genetic Diversity: A Comparison of Mitochondrial, Autosomal, and Y-Chromosome Data, 2000.
DNA sequence variation in a non-coding region of low recombination on the human X chromosome, 1999.
Contrasting Evolutionary Histories of Two Introns of the Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy Gene, Dmd, in Humans, 2000.
Support from the relationship of genetic and geographic distance in human populations for a serial founder effect originating in Africa, 2005.
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Message 215 of 237 (775057)
12-26-2015 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Greatest I am
12-26-2015 1:58 PM


It may not mater to the world that we are all browning up but I think a bit of loyalty is owed the white race that helped bring the West to what it is.
The melanin concentration of a human population has nothing to do with causing certain historical, sociopolitical institutions. It's a meaningless correlation and a contingency of history. So no "loyalty" is owed to certain melanin concentrations. Unless, of course, one has an odd fetish with these melanin concentrations.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 216 of 237 (775058)
12-26-2015 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Greatest I am
12-26-2015 1:43 PM


Re: The "Arab League"
quote:
LamarkNewAge
TVO | Current affairs, documentaries and education
I think that if the U.S. had just decided to be the new Imperial power and taken the world as it's own reward for winning WWII, we might not have had to suffer any of this history.
I hope the winner of WWIII is not as stupid because I think the world seeks to be united either in a NWO be it democratic or a caliphate.
Humans like order and security and creating a world Empire is the greatest order and security we can create.
It would be too big to fail.
I went to your link ready to read, but it is a video. I will listen to it at some point, but now isn't a good time.
Remember, Iran was the first country to challenge the new U.S. Empire (USA after 1945-1947=British Empire II),specifically over the issue of owning its own oil, and the Brits and CIA overthrew its democracy (with "false flags!) in 1953. Ironically, the Shah had a "white revolution" (1960s) where he took land from the wealthy (but not foreign-westerners!)and gave to the poor (and Khomeni, from afar, said that only God can decide who is rich and poor, not the government)
But much more ironic (and sad) is that Iran appeared to be a lone-country in south-Asia(actually Afghanistan was maliciously split from India back around 1911 so that makes 2) that was "free" of Imperial control during World War II. Not so! 1953 proved that and Kermit Roosevelt (the CIA station chief there) wrote a book on that one around 1990s. There is also a book called "All the Shah's Men" or something and it might cover the CIA coup.
The Arabs feel so stupid for accepting the "help" of the British to "free themselves from the Turks" that is can't be described in words alone. "Arab nationalism" during World War 1 would qualify as "anti-nationalism" today as the British and American New World Order have moved the goalposts so far in a nationalist direction that yesterdays nationalists would be todays anti-nationalists. This NWO is all about splitting the world into as many little pieces as possible.
I was reading a truly fascinating Smithsonian article earlier this year about the Hejaz railroad project which was built by the Turks to connect Turkey to Arabia 100+ years ago. Needless to say, it never can ever be built with the god awful borders. Poor people in Jordan, along the 100 year old dead-path, really are feeling the sting because they know that it would have made them prosperous to be along a busy railway. There is an academic study called the Great Arab Revolt Project or something, and Arabs wish they never revolted against the Turks. They used to feel Lawrence of Arabia was a hero because he tried hard to keep Syria from being split into 4 nations (Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and modern Syria). He even attempted to get an army of Arabs to Damascus first once he found out the British gave (what is today) Syria and Lebanon to France. he felt terrible at the double-cross. Then after WW1, he rushed to Paris in 1921 to represent the wishes of the Arab people to not have Syria split up. The failure to keep Syria from being split up is known in the Arab world as Am Al- Nakbah (the year of the catastrophe) though the 1948 slaughter is also called that. The 1921 decision to destroy the middle east with fake borders is the catastrophe that keeps on choking out the peace and prosperity of not just Syria but the entire middle east. The famous 1921 Am Al Nakbah is a concept that might be seared into the conscience of every middle eastern person but the 22 British/ USA colonies in the Middle East have leaders that (almost to the last one) live, swear and die (though the leaders kill their own people) to oppose the wishes (infact the very souls) of the people. They promote nationalism as their colonial masters demand. And the CIA will even go so far as to create an ISIS to show us how "evil those middle easterners are if they have freedom". Thankfully Rand Paul, at least, has been honest about who has created ISIS. (the quotes were my words, not his. That isn't even his logic. But at least he is upfront about the creation of ISIS being the USA Empire.)
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Placing Saudi Arabia in charge of it is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
I cannot see that being a Western idea.
Americans don't know the history of the region very well. Americans have a CIA run media brain-washing us constantly and confusing the issue. EXAMPLE: The media told us that Middle Easterners were dancing in the streets celebrating the 9/11 attack.
CORRECTION PLEASE!
The Middle Eastern view was that a western intelligence agency (typically the CIA is the assumption) attacked us. Like 80% hold that view.
We don't get told that though because it would cause too much discussion that might cause us to understand middle easterners and what they go through.
How many Americans so you think ever heard of the Am al Nakbah 1921 issue? Its the biggest issue to middle easterners, just like 9/11/01 is a big issue to us. Lets flush CNN and Fox News down the toilet for keeping us in the dark about such a fundamental issue.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 217 of 237 (775059)
12-26-2015 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Greatest I am
12-26-2015 2:03 PM


Re: History books
quote:
LamarkNewAge
Have you listened to this speaker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4
Regards
I will eventually, thanks to your link. Just not right now. I prefer reading at the moment.
History lesson!
Do you know the second Middle Eastern nation (after Iran?) to challenge the western oil companies?
It was Iraq. In 1958, the people overthrew the phoney Hashemite monarch ("Jordanians" were never able to overthrow their British puppet and are stuck with Hashemite "kings") and nationalized the oil (and they were opposed to the petro-dictatorship colony of Kuwait being split into a separate nation). Then the CIA installed the Baath party in a 1963 coup. Among the Baathist party was a Mr. Saddam Hussein. That guy got into BIGGGGGGG trouble, later on, when he decided that he was sympathetic to a Pax Arabia (Arabian peace), opposed the disgrace known as the Kuwait monarchy (and the existence of a fraudulent nation in and of itself), and strongly supported the distribution of oil revenue to the people of the ENTIRE Arabian world!
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Message 218 of 237 (775060)
12-26-2015 3:08 PM
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12-26-2015 2:03 PM


Greatest I am Suspended 24 Hours
Hi Greatest I am,
In my last post I asked you to quote something from the messages you're replying to so the context can be understood, and to follow these rules from the Forum Guidelines:
  1. Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
  2. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
You've just posted a sequence of replies that don't follow my request about quoting or these rules from the Forum Guidelines, so I'm suspending you for 24 hours. See you tomorrow.
About your Message 199, the logical flaw in your argument is too obvious to bother describing. I'm ruling that you should not again repeat your claim of greater genetic diversity for "whites" than any other race until you can offer valid supporting evidence.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 219 of 237 (775063)
12-26-2015 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Greatest I am
12-26-2015 1:43 PM


Re: The "Arab League"
quote:
Placing Saudi Arabia in charge of it is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
I cannot see that being a Western idea.
I found the Great Arab Revolt Project article.
Link in in this EVC link.
EvC Forum: The True Story of Lawrence of Arabia
I hope we can get a thread started on this one. We will go a very long way towards understanding what this "western idea" is exactly and why middle easterners don't like it. The Hashemites weren't so bad during WWI, but they became puppets that went along with splitting the mid-east later on (like after WW2).

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Message 220 of 237 (775074)
12-26-2015 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by caffeine
12-21-2015 1:13 PM


A Few Answers
caffeine writes:
The two most common suggestions among the professionals that I can find after 10 minutes internet search are central and southern Asia - perhaps the company that did your test decided that it would sound good if this haplogroup was brought to Europe via Ukraine by some nomads, but it's esseentially something they pulled out of their arse to make the uninformative test you paid for appear to have discovered something significant.
First, I did not take the Y-Haplogroup DNA test, my first cousin did. Second, the test was done to solve a family genealogy mystery, not to determine more ancient origins. The mystery was over my great-grandfather's ancestry, which 20 years of research had failed to solve.
Here are the results of that test under group A1c test #5850. A potential relative was found directly below under test #4588. Further research confirmed the ancestor of the person named under #4588 is my great-great-great-great grandfather, the problem being a single letter change in the last name. This is because my great-grandfather was illiterate due to being kicked out of the house by an evil uncle at 8 years old after his father's untimely demise.
So was the test worth it? It was to me as I didn't have to pay diddlysquat for it yet it increased the genealogical information on my last-named ancestor back 3 generations.
caffeine writes:
This is less genetics than it is marketing, unfortunately. Take the idea that haplogroup R1 means an origin in Ukraine, for example. That's not something anyone has the faintest idea about. R1 is distibuted all over the world; in central and northern Africa, over all of Europe, across central, southern eastern Asia, and at lesser frequencies in Oceania and the Americas (not counting those with known European and African ancestry). There are, of course an enormous number of scenarios regarding its origin that could explain this distribution.
Well, here is this "all over the world" distribution.
Not quite as all over the world as it seems you make it out to be.
From the aforementioned linked test almost all results are positive for the M-269 marker, which means, R1b.
Here is the distribution of R1b:
A bit narrower but this is why, referring back to the R1 distribution please notice the following:
R1b - M269 is mainly Western Europe
R1a - M17 is mainly Eastern Europe
R1b - P297 is mainly Western Russia
R1a - M17 is mainly Northern India
R2 - M 124 appears to be Sri Lanka
R1b - V88 is mainly Southern Chad
R1 - M173 is mainly Eastern Canada with a slight amount around Indonesia and Western Australia
Continuing along those lines, perhaps this may be helpful:
The colors indicate where each current population has over 30% of that given Y-chromosome haplotype.
Guess I spent more than 10 minutes .
However, I learned something from all this. My original post stated I am R1b1b2a1c. Well they changed the code on me -- turns out I am now R1b1a2
quote:
From 2003 to 2005 what is now R1b1a2 was designated R1b3. From 2005 to 2008 it was R1b1c. From 2008 to 2011 it was R1b1b2.
Oh well, honest mistake, I posted working from memory, the last time I checked all this stuff was back in 2010.
However, the science of genetic sequencing is both young and moving rapidly, so who knows what may change in the next five years. Still, I find the information it shows far more revealing than the obsolete and palpably racist term "white race."
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 221 of 237 (775076)
12-27-2015 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Faith
12-26-2015 8:21 AM


You understand absolutely nothing about Christian belief if you think there's anything in the Bible that requires restricting NONBELIEVERS in any way. You were never a Christian because you never understood anything about it. You can't tell the difference between the HISTORY of ancient Israel and the COMMANDS of Allah to readers of the Koran to murder "infidels."
Unfortunately for you, it is you who glosses over huge swaths of the bible that don't conform to contemporary ideals. But you can't deny that God on several occasions mandates the killing of people; and not just killing anyone, but also ordering the murder of innocent babies by smashing them upon rocks. That is some indefensible, sick shit. But you're only willing to condemn Islam's verses of violence. Of course those are insane passages, but you are hypocritical. That's the point. If you were consistent, you would disavow all of it and stop being selective in your consternation.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 222 of 237 (775077)
12-27-2015 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2015 1:05 AM


The Bible is demonstrating that God punishes sin and it's completely within the Bible as history. And there's only one place killing babies is mentioned and it's because the Babylonians had done that to the Jewish babies so it's the recompense of war. Not that you care what was done to the Jewish babies, right?
And you don't care that it's history with a point to teach whereas Allah actually commands murdering people in the world now where there is no provocation, no war, nothing but a difference of viewepoint. Allah tells his people to kill people now, just because they are "infidels" which is why that's what they are doing. You sound like any atheist. You were never a believer really.
You can tell God you disapprove of His punishing sin when you see Him.
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Faith 
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Message 223 of 237 (775078)
12-27-2015 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Faith
12-27-2015 1:50 AM


I can find only one reference to dashing babies against stones and that's Psalm 137 where it is talking about paying back Babylon for their devastation of Jerusalem, and it's not God who is talking, it's the psalmist:
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
But you apparently can't read in context. It's probably one of the very few lines you even know from scripture, never having read the Bible when you were a so-called believer.
I'm no hypocrite, but you are a self-righteous know-nothing, especially if you think there's any comparison whatever between the Bible and Islam.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 224 of 237 (775079)
12-27-2015 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Faith
12-27-2015 1:50 AM


The Bible is demonstrating that God punishes sin and it's completely within the Bible as history. And there's only one place killing babies is mentioned and it's because the Babylonians had done that to the Jewish babies so it's the recompense of war.
Ah, right, makes sense. Makes perfect sense for a benevolent God to kill completely innocent children to make a point to the Babylonians. Murdering innocent babies to teach the moral that murdering other innocent babies is wrong makes a lot of sense.
Not that you care what was done to the Jewish babies, right?
LOL, I care about God not murdering any babies, but you sure are a fan of poisoning the well.
And you don't care that it's history with a point to teach whereas Allah actually commands murdering people in the world now where there is no provocation, no war, nothing but a difference of viewepoint. Allah tells his people to kill people now, just because they are "infidels" which is why that's what they are doing.
Oh, I see. So there's "a point" being made when YHWH orders massacres, but there is no point when Allah orders them. Makes perfect sense.
You sound like any atheist. You were never a believer really.
You keep saying that as if I need or care about your approval. Whether you think I was sincere or insincere in my walk is irrelevant to the discussion.
You can tell God you disapprove of His punishing sin when you see Him.
No point in talking to the air any longer.
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Message 225 of 237 (775080)
12-27-2015 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2015 2:34 AM


You are confusing justice with murder.
No matter how sincere you were, you were apparently deceived about being a Christian. It's not about sincerity, it's about believing certain things and you seem not to have believed those things. You said for instance that you became a Christian because you admired Jesus' "ideals." That is so far from a Christian belief it's a dead giveaway that you were deceived.
If I get suspended for telling the truth, so be it.
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