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Theodoric
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Message 122 of 357 (776913)
01-22-2016 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Jon
01-22-2016 1:36 PM


Kind of sorta have to agree with you on this jon. I received a solar quote. It will cost me after subsidies 30k. At most it will save me $1500/year. Solar just is not ready for primetime for most residential applications.
Now if it drops a bit more I am certainly interested. There are much better uses for my family's #0k at this time.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 125 of 357 (776917)
01-22-2016 4:46 PM
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01-22-2016 4:02 PM


Re: or in reality ...
(3) all the solar companies offer loans to pay for them, where payments are less than the utility bills, and when paid off you still get the full benefit.
In certain parts of the country they may. In states where there is little state support the costs are not so easily absorbed. There is no way I can borrow 30k for an installation and have a payment that is less than what I save from my electric bill. I have run the #'s many ways, it just does not make financial sense in northern Wisconsin. Even if I paid cash for the system my return is not high enough to justify the expense.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 161 of 357 (777158)
01-26-2016 8:41 PM
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01-26-2016 8:00 PM


Re: 216 feet
If you meant that I am guessing you would have said it.
Jon seems to have either a reading issue or a comprehension issue.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 183 of 357 (777260)
01-28-2016 9:15 AM
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01-27-2016 11:02 PM


Re: ... on financing
None of the major players in the solar industry, including SolarCity, are available in WI. The way our state is run it will be a long time before any major solar company comes to this state. I have a niece that is in the solar business on the east coast, she told me that they are not seeing any reason to even consider WI because of the political climate here toward solar.
I have had 2 quotes, both came in at about 30K after tax credit. I use approx $1800 in electricity a year. That means there is a 20 year payoff. As an investment choice it is not a good one. I am making 5-6% consistently on investments. Why would I want to divert the 30k, have it tied up, and wait 20 years to have my principal back?
If I did this I would pay cash, but the numbers do not make sense for me. They certainly would make no sense for anyone that was going to borrow money to do it.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 192 of 357 (777284)
01-28-2016 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Jon
01-28-2016 12:57 PM


Re: Jon ignores evidence.
The sun doesn't shine at night. So take a guess at what's actually charging all those electric cars while their drivers sleep.
Are you trolling or stupid?
You really should learn about something before you disparage it. Here are some things you should research.
Emissions produced by individual cars compared to emissions from the production of electricity that is used for electric cars. Which scenario is better for the environment?
Also, you do realize that there are storage technologies available for power produced by wind and solar don't you? The electricity for electric cars is not produced locally for the most part.
You really should do some research.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 307 of 357 (778128)
02-17-2016 11:42 AM


2015 data is in and so is January 2016 data.
2015 was the hottest year on record and 2016 is starting out even worse.
Several of the months in 2015 were the hottest on record, leading to 2015 overall being the hottest year ever recorded
The global temperature anomaly for January 2016 was 1.13 Celsius. That makes it the hottest January on record (the previous record was 0.95 C in 2007). But there’s more: 1.13 is the largest anomaly for any month since records began in 1880. There have only been monthly anomalies over 1C three times before in recorded history, and those three were all from last year. The farther back in the past you go, the lower the anomalies are on average.
Bad Astronomy
Dr. Plait does link to a refutation of a deniers argument in this article. I suggest any deniers at least take a look at it before you post some denial hog wash. Here I will make it easy for you.
Denier claims
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