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Jon
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Message 316 of 356 (778582)
02-21-2016 8:15 PM
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02-21-2016 4:22 PM


Re: Solar Power in Hawai'i

So that's a 'no' on proving it, I guess.


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Message 317 of 356 (778629)
02-22-2016 3:37 PM
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02-21-2016 8:15 PM


Oceans rising at fastest rate in 28 centuries
http://www.nytimes.com/...global-warming-climate-change.html

quote:
The oceans are rising faster than at any point in the last 28 centuries, and human emissions of greenhouse gases are primarily responsible, scientists reported Monday.

They added that the flooding that is starting to make life miserable in many coastal towns like Miami Beach; Norfolk, Va.; and Charleston, S.C. was largely a consequence of those emissions, and that it is likely to grow worse in coming years.


Ironically, I was just in Miami Beach this past weekend. Guess I should be thankful I live in Central Florida. We likely won't be underwater as quickly.


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Message 318 of 356 (778775)
02-24-2016 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 316 by Jon
02-21-2016 8:15 PM


Solar Power beats out competition for new plants
Actually that is a "it is being done, it uses available technology" proof, while your denial is just hand-waving.

Wow: The U.S. Built More Solar Than Natural Gas Last Year

quote:

Its another record for the rapidly growing solar industry.

For the first time there were more new solar energy systems installed in the U.S. last year than new natural gas plants built.

The stat is according to a new report from the industry group the Solar Energy Industry Association and analysts at GTM Research. The report says solar supplied 29.5% of the new energy sources built in 2015.

Much of the growth in solar panels over the past few years has been from the large solar panel farms built in rural areas for utilities. Still, at least half of the solar panels installed last year were for utility-scale solar.

To date, there are now 25 gigawatts worth of solar operating in the U.S. Thats enough power for over four million average American homes.

Outside of the U.S., countries around the world are embracing clean energy, both solar and wind. According to a report from Bloomberg earlier this year, investors and governments around the world put $330 billion into clean energy last year. The bulk of that funding (about $200 billion) went to industrial-sized projects that provide clean power to utilities.

About a third of that funding happened in China as the Chinese government has been aggressively committing to clean energy to meet rising electricity demand and reduce pollution problems. Investors in the U.S. and European countries spent about half compared to Chinas clean energy funding last year.


China plans to retire most of their coal plants in favor of solar.

Scalable. Doable. Being done. No further proof necessary.

Here's how to get solar power if you don't own a roof

quote:
Americans love solar power, but most aren't in a position to get it. You can't install rooftop solar if you rent, own a condo, have poor credit, or have a rooftop that's shaded or faces the wrong way. In fact, it's a fairly small slice of Americans who can take advantage of rooftop solar:

That 15.8 million near the right end there is the current "addressable market" for residential rooftop solar. (Obviously that's not a fixed number it can and will rise.) According to a new report by GTM Research, roughly one-fifth of that addressable market will have rooftop solar by 2020, and rates of installation will still be rising. One can see saturation of the market, if not in our immediate future, at least on the horizon.

So how can all those households that don't have suitable rooftops participate in the solar boom?

One answer is community solar. That's when a group of utility ratepayers get together and agree to purchase electricity from a solar PV project they "subscribe" to its power and pay a monthly charge that appears on their utility bill. That way they can help new solar projects get funded, feel good about consuming clean energy, and, sometimes, save money on their home power bills. It's a way to support solar PV power when you can't put it on your own roof.


And I am in the initial stages of working with my town to install a solar farm that would initially provide 100% electricity for town buildings and lights in a joint venture with co-op ownership of panels\shares to fund it and get credit against taxes. The plan is that this would grow from such an initial program to one that supplies electricity to subscribers.

The town provides the land and gets free energy, and that reduces the tax load to residents. The coop members get a return on their investment, first against taxes and later possible dividends as their market expands.

Again, doable with existing technology and existing political economic constraints. Just walk forward and you will reach the goal.

Enjoy

ps -- I'm in the 0.5%

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Message 319 of 356 (778793)
02-24-2016 12:10 PM
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02-21-2016 12:01 AM


Re: Solar Power in Hawai'i
But clothes washer? What happens to the clothes when they're done washing?

Your dirty clothes can generally sit a few hours before you wash them, so you can get the entire wash cycle off peak. Maybe not the dry cycle. Or you can wash and dry your clothes during the weekend.

The problem is not insurmountable. And there other major appliances in your house can be managed to a large extent.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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Message 320 of 356 (778799)
02-24-2016 12:42 PM
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02-21-2016 8:15 PM


Re: Solar Power in Kenya again
http://www.cctv-america.com/...rdable-reality-in-rural-kenya

filling the power void in rural areas, moving step by step.

Your "kenyan economy" is shifting towards a new world without having to go through fossil fuel use on the way.

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Message 321 of 356 (778800)
02-24-2016 12:45 PM
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02-24-2016 12:10 PM


Re: Solar Power in back yards
Your dirty clothes can generally sit a few hours before you wash them, so you can get the entire wash cycle off peak. Maybe not the dry cycle. Or you can wash and dry your clothes during the weekend.

I use a solar clothes dryer ...

Enjoy


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Message 322 of 356 (778802)
02-24-2016 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by ringo
02-03-2016 2:20 PM


window solar update
Solar Glass From NexPower is Available to Anyone

quote:
NexPowers solar glass, also known as BIPV (Building Integrated Photovoltaic), has, in fact, been used just recently at the Building Research Establishment in Watford in the United Kingdom. Also known as Two Houses One Concept, this 2-unit housing project is a joint-effort by Switzerlands Userhuus and the UKs Tigh Grian, and it is bringing affordable, energy-efficient, volumetric housing solutions to the market. With its integration of modern green technologies and materials, the project has caught the eye of professionals in the green industry as well as housing decision-makers, in particular, all across the UK.

One of the most noticeable elements of the Building Research Establishment in Watford is its stylish, fully-integrated photovoltaic roof. This roof, which was created by NexPower, features Photovoltaic (PV) Thin-film, delivering a solar panel like no other in the world, since it can be installed just about anywhere. Without a doubt, this breakthrough innovation can enable anyone to go green.

In addition to being multifunctional, NexPowers products are also very flexible when it comes to implementation. They can be placed on the ground, on rooftops, or on the exterior of buildings. They can even replace the windows in cars. Although they are lighter than other solar products, they generate more energy from the sun and can withstand most natural disasters, including typhoons.

One of the most noticeable elements of the Building Research Establishment in Watford is its stylish, fully-integrated photovoltaic roof. This roof, which was created by NexPower, features Photovoltaic (PV) Thin-film, delivering a solar panel like no other in the world, since it can be installed just about anywhere. Without a doubt, this breakthrough innovation can enable anyone to go green.

In addition to being multifunctional, NexPowers products are also very flexible when it comes to implementation. They can be placed on the ground, on rooftops, or on the exterior of buildings. They can even replace the windows in cars. Although they are lighter than other solar products, they generate more energy from the sun and can withstand most natural disasters, including typhoons.


All those vertical sides of the towers are potential sites for a photovoltaic panel that you can see through.

Enjoy

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Message 323 of 356 (779641)
03-06-2016 4:45 PM
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02-21-2016 8:15 PM


Solar Power in Arizona
And here is another tid bit based on an old Ted Talk:

quote:
How to Power the USA Using Only Clean Energy!

Here is a video, a Tedtalk from several years ago that describes a concept that is still valid today, namely how we could power the entire USA using a fraction of the solar resources just from the state of Arizona. The physics behind concentrating the power of the sun combined with modern advances in solar photovoltaic technology will allow a very cost effective clean energy solution.

Concentrated solar pv is a scalabe technology, that when brought together as a system only requires one to be online. This means that unlike a nuclear power plant or even a coal power plant you do not have to wait years ( decades) for the project to be completed before you see the first electron generated. It also means that you do not have to finance it all at once as you would construct a project like this in stages.


Now I think that would be impractical as it puts all your eggs in one basket. But it would be easy to divide the project up into many smaller projects and achieve the same resulting power capacity.

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Message 324 of 356 (780305)
03-13-2016 11:44 PM


February Breaks January's Record
Here.

February 2016 has soared past all rivals as the warmest seasonally adjusted month in more than a century of global recordkeeping. NASAs analysis showed that February ran 1.35C (2.43F) above the 1951-1980 global average for the month, as can be seen in the list of monthly anomalies going back to 1880. The previous record was set just last month, as January 2016 came in 1.14C above the 1951-1980 average for the month. In other words, February has dispensed with this one-month-old record by a full 0.21C (0.38F)--an extraordinary margin to beat a monthly world temperature record by.

  
Jon
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Message 325 of 356 (780570)
03-16-2016 9:43 PM
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03-06-2016 4:45 PM


Re: Solar Power in Arizona
Funny, RAZD.

Do you have anything to address the 'how'? Or is it just more of your and others' assertions that it's possible?


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Message 326 of 356 (780731)
03-19-2016 1:48 PM
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03-16-2016 9:43 PM


Re: Solar Power in Arizona
Jon asks:

Do you have anything to address the 'how'?

Jon - what is the very FIRST WORD of his link?

https://solarthermalmagazine.com/...-using-only-clean-energy


- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 327 of 356 (780783)
03-20-2016 11:40 PM
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03-19-2016 1:48 PM


Re: Solar Power in Arizona
So you think just writing the word 'how' sufficiently demonstrates how something is possible?

Really?


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Message 328 of 356 (781548)
04-05-2016 8:33 AM


Renewables in Scotland
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Statistics published by the UK Department of Energy and Climate Change show 57.7% of Scottish electricity consumption came from renewables in 2015 - 7.7% ahead of the 50% target.

source


  
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Message 329 of 356 (783888)
05-09-2016 3:36 PM


investment firm Lazard determined that wind energy now the lowest-cost energy source
quote:

investment firm Lazard determined that wind energy is now the lowest-cost energy source, even before federal green-energy tax incentives are factored in.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/...om-shift-to-wind-and-solar


The Department of Energy says wind and solar were more than 66% of all new generating-capacity in 2015.

Wind will be 20% of all generating capacity in 2030 according to the DOE.

I think it is about 5% now.

Cheaper than natural gas and coal N-O-W.

Right here.

Right now.


    
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Message 330 of 356 (783892)
05-09-2016 4:23 PM


If you want to know the true price of renewable energy in Americafree from subsidies
The conservative Forbes had this article recently.

quote:

If you want to know the true price of renewable energy in Americafree from subsidies and mandateslook to Mexico, former Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Friday.

In March, Mexicos state utility, Comisin Federal de Electricidad (CFE), departed from almost 80 years of state-owned monopoly and let private companies bid to supply solar, wind, hydro, cogeneration, combined-cycle gas, and geothermal energy.

The cost was about 4 a kilowatt-hour without the mandates, in both solar and wind, Chu said Friday at Stanford University, where he now teaches. Four to four-and-a-half cents with no production tax credit, no investment tax credit, no renewable portfolio standard. Its just money, including profit. This is pretty good news.

A GTM Research analyst revised the average price slightly higher, to about 5/kWh, but that price, too, is much lower than most experts would have predicted renewables would be in 2016.

Clean energy is actually getting much cheaper than even I, as a perennial technical optimist, thought it was going to be, Chu said.

And much cheaper than the International Energy Agency or the U.S. Energy Information Administration have predicted in recent years. As the writer Ramez Naam pointed out, last June the EIA predicted solar would cost a minimum of 8.9/kWh in 2020.

Before June was over, Austin Energy had contracted for 1.2 GW of solar at less than 4. In early July, Warren Buffetts NV Energy scored what was reported to be the cheapest energy rate ever at the time, buying 100 MW from First Solar for 3.87/kWh.

http://www.forbes.com/...ice-of-u-s-renewables/#7ff14d9475d2


There is more amazing news.

quote:

Renewable energy companies offered a record-breaking bid for the third phase of the Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Solar Park. At rates of 2.99 U.S. cents per kilowatt-hour, the bid means that solar power in Dubai would be cheaper than coal when compared to rates of a recently-commissioned coal plant.

The Dubai Electriciy and Water Authority (DEWA) behind the solar park collected five bids for phase 3. The part of the project in question is expected to generate 800 megawatts.

Related: Solar and wind power are now cheaper than coal or natural gas in some markets

Dubai set a new solar price record in January 2015 with bidders offering rates of 5.85 cents for another part of the park, but the city was upstaged by first Peru and then Mexico, who set the most recent record last month. The new price of 2.99 cents is 15 percent lower than the Mexico record.

Last October Dubai commissioned a coal power plant set begin operating in 2020. It is expected to generate electricity at prices of 4.501 cents per kilowatt-hour, making solar power at the 2.99 cents bid about one third cheaper than coal.
....

DEWA has not announced who the bidders are, although some are reporting it was a consortium of three companies: Masdar Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company, Fotowatio Renewable Ventures BV from Spain, and Abdul Latif Jameel from Saudi Arabia.

A consortium spokesperson clarified this is an active bid, which means the companies havent necessarily won the contract, but its a thrilling step for those who look toward a future where renewable energy is the cheapest power source available. By 2030, the entire solar park facility should produce up to five gigawatts of clean energy. DEWAs ultimate goal is to provide 25 percent of total power output in Dubai from renewable sources by that year, followed by 75 percent in 2050.

Via Bloomberg

http://inhabitat.com/...ces-in-dubai-prove-cheaper-than-coal


Below is an article saying solar prices will fall 40% in 2 years.

http://cleantechnica.com/...-will-fall-40-next-2-years-heres

Have these experts missed Jon's claims of (super rare)rare-earth metals being the only efficient means to deploy solar?

I wonder if Jon will claim that Mexico doesn't have enough land (cheap or otherwise) to build panels at this cost?

Most people live in the areas of the planet where. solar is a great deal (though it must be admitted that water tends to be scarce in clear sky areas). Same is true of the USA.

Wind works well in many areas where solar isn't such a good deal.

My solution? Make Mexico part of the USA, then fund a "Solar Martial Plan" for (the former nation of) Mexico. Texas (and like 1/3 of the continental USA) was part of Mexico for longer than the USA existed anyway. Nevermind 1846, go back to 1776 and it is still true. Watch Mexican's income go from $12,000 - $13-000 per year (2015) up to $30,000 to $40,000 in a few years, and watch the USA hit record levels too.

Lets have some real growth please.


    
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