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starlite
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Message 31 of 52 (781473)
04-04-2016 4:37 PM
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04-04-2016 3:12 PM


Re: A Hypothetical Question
Who knows? Could be future for all I know or neither!
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Message 32 of 52 (781474)
04-04-2016 4:39 PM
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04-04-2016 3:30 PM


Re: Wish I May Wish I Might
Keep in mind that we actually do not know the size of stars or how far they really are! To know that we would have to know what time is like there. A ear may not be a year as we know it there, and light and other things may not take light years to do anything. The distances and sizes and what stars even are is all belief based conjecture, and godless conjecture at that.

Edited by starlite, : No reason given.


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Message 33 of 52 (781475)
04-04-2016 4:41 PM
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04-04-2016 3:42 PM


Estimated means believed. Prophesied.
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Message 34 of 52 (781494)
04-04-2016 5:57 PM
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04-04-2016 4:37 PM


Re: A Hypothetical Question
starlite writes:

Who knows? Could be future for all I know or neither!

As a believer, I will state that God knows. Were i a science teacher, this answer would be insufficient for educating my class, however. Why not ask me some questions? Pretend that you are my teacher.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 35 of 52 (781500)
04-04-2016 8:16 PM
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04-04-2016 4:41 PM


Estimated means believed. Prophesied.

No, that is not what estimated means.

The post to which you are replying said:

quote:
So when we look even further back we are looking at stars that almost certainly no longer exist.

It's estimated that our sun will last for another 4 or 5 billion years, but the universe is at least 14.5 billion years old.

Our sun is pretty small and boring and so likely has a longer lifetime than many larger suns so it is almost certain that many of the stars and galaxies we see no longer exist.


The statements above are conclusions based on observation of reality instead of myth. we can see other stars and we can actually measure things such as their sizes, distances, masses, chemical constitution, surface temperature and energy production.

When things happen they leave evidence.

We can look at a spectrum and determine chemical constitution.

We can look at the behavior of other objects in the vicinity of the star being examined and determine its mass and from that it's size.

We can determine its direction of movement and it velocity.

When science uses the term estimate it does not mean believed or prophesied, those two term rest in the realm of mythology.

You may not accept the results of the evidence but that is fine. In the US at least you and the rest of the Christian Cult of Ignorance have a right to your fantasies but they remain simply willful ignorance.

You do not have to remain ignorant however and this is a good place for you to begin learning.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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starlite
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Message 36 of 52 (781501)
04-04-2016 8:30 PM
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04-04-2016 5:57 PM


Re: A Hypothetical Question
What's wrong with I don't know? Why teach kids something made up to pretend you do?
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Message 37 of 52 (781502)
04-04-2016 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by starlite
04-04-2016 8:30 PM


Re: A Hypothetical Question
What's wrong with I don't know? Why teach kids something made up to pretend you do?

I see nothing wrong with teaching kids the best science has to offer, based on evidence, logic and reason, instead of teaching them old tribal myths that have had a lot of refutations over the years?

Just because you believe it doesn't make it so.

(See also taglines, below.)


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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starlite
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Message 38 of 52 (781503)
04-04-2016 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by jar
04-04-2016 8:16 PM


[/quote]
quote:
No, that is not what estimated means.
False. Is is exactly what it means when talking about what we were talking about. All one needs to do is look at the fundamental basis for the 'estimations'.

The post to which you are replying said:

quote:

It's estimated that our sun will last for another 4 or 5 billion years, but the universe is at least 14.5 billion years old.
Right...so that is false prophesy with zero proof. A statement of faith things will go on as they now are...or more exactly as you think they now are. Pretty lame religion.

quote:
Our sun is pretty small and boring and so likely has a longer lifetime than many larger suns so it is almost certain that many of the stars and galaxies we see no longer exist.

False. Our sun is big and wonderfully made. It also does not work the way you think! In all ways you preach belief.

quote:
The statements above are conclusions based on observation of reality instead of myth. we can see other stars and we can actually measure things such as their sizes, distances, masses, chemical constitution, surface temperature and energy production.
False. Distances cannot be known unless you know time and spacetime as we know it exists in the whole universe. You can't. Therefore you are preaching faith only.

quote:

When things happen they leave evidence.
Depends what kind of things. Show us some evidence that something dated a billion or so years old, had no daughter isotopes before any decay started at all? What, we must assume this or it is not 'science'!!?

quote:
We can look at a spectrum and determine chemical constitution.
False yet again. You can not know if there is more than we can see. What we can determine would be the chemical realities as seen here on earth! Whatever else we may not be able to see, we can't know about. How big or far the star is we cannot know. You are hopelessly limited.

quote:
We can look at the behavior of other objects in the vicinity of the star being examined and determine its mass and from that it's size.
In other words you can make the same mistake on more than one item! Big deal. Unless time exists and exists as it does here neither object is known as to distance or size!

quote:
We can determine its direction of movement and it velocity.
That does nothing unless we know what is moving, and where...and when!

quote:
When science uses the term estimate it does not mean believed or prophesied, those two term rest in the realm of mythology.

Yes it means only that, precisely that and nothing at all else.

quote:
You may not accept the results of the evidence but that is fine.
The evidence we wait for is you proving time exists and exists the same out there. We wait. And wait. And wait. Until then all you do is molest evidence with your beliefs.

quote:
In the US at least you and the rest of the Christian Cult of Ignorance have a right to your fantasies but they remain simply willful ignorance.
Insulting parts of a population may seem cool to you. They are bright brilliant stars compared to you so far though.
quote:

You do not have to remain ignorant however and this is a good place for you to begin learning.

Let me help you with that misconception. You learn, I teach.
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Message 39 of 52 (781504)
04-04-2016 8:45 PM
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04-04-2016 8:40 PM


Re: A Hypothetical Question
Right, that seems to tell us it hasn't sunk in yet that you do not know. Really.
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Message 40 of 52 (781511)
04-04-2016 9:01 PM
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04-04-2016 8:44 PM


Re: [/quote]
Simply making unsupported assertions or denying evidence is just bullshit.

Unless you can provide actual evidence to support your position you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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starlite
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Message 41 of 52 (781512)
04-04-2016 9:02 PM
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04-04-2016 9:01 PM


Re: [/quote]
Good so don't do it. My position is that to claim decay existed in the far past you must prove it first. Not assume it.

Edited by starlite, : No reason given.


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Message 42 of 52 (781513)
04-04-2016 9:04 PM
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04-04-2016 9:01 PM


Assertions, Beliefs & Facts
Keep in mind, however that starlite believes that God is actual evidence. I believe that through Him all things were created. Thus I agree with starlite in that regard. I think.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 43 of 52 (781515)
04-04-2016 9:05 PM
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04-04-2016 8:44 PM


Re: [/quote]
You learn, I teach.
The best teachers are also students. we all learn and we all can teach.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 44 of 52 (781516)
04-04-2016 9:06 PM


Returning to the topic.
The recent supernova, SN2016adj, first appeared in the skies here on Earth on February 8 of 2016. It is located in the nearby galaxy, Centaurus A which is about 11 million light years away from us.

At 2016/02/08.042 the galaxy was observed and the supernova was not there. At 2016/02/08.560, just fifty two minutes later it was observed to be there.

Since we know when the light from this supernova first showed up this single event sets a minimum age of the Universe at at least 11 million years old!

From this one observation we can show the universe is at least 11 million years old.

Anyone claiming an age less than 11 million years is simply wrong.


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Message 45 of 52 (781517)
04-04-2016 9:08 PM
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04-04-2016 9:04 PM


Re: Assertions, Beliefs & Facts
Phat writes:

Keep in mind, however that starlite believes that God is actual evidence. I believe that through Him all things were created. Thus I agree with starlite in that regard. I think.

Then neither of you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread. Until one of you places god on the table to be examined god is NOT evidence of anything.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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