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Bob Bobber
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Message 1 of 280 (779614)
03-06-2016 11:35 AM


So-called Christendom today fails to rightly divide the word of truth, because they have mixed God’s program with Israel and his program with the Body of Christ and mixed dispensations together; dispensations that do not mix together, and as a result, they think they have taken on Israel’s role from the point where Israel left off.

The programs have simply been intertwined in the minds of the religious world. Any kind of works at all, even if they appear to be good works in a our minds, that are done for the purpose attaining salvation, or for the purpose of maintaining salvation, and even for the purpose of proving our salvation is a slap in the face of God, who had to provide the gift of salvation, because our righteousness would be totally incapable of meriting it. 


It was God’s plan to use the faith and its resultant faithfulness of the son of God in the ultimate glorification of human-kind who would take him at his word, the union of believers to Christ is that which allows God to remain just when he credits those with the righteousness of his son. 
Are we to study the Word of God as though it were a hodge-podge assortment of instructions that are all the same for all the people of all the ages? Some people study it that way, and then wonder why they can not make sense of it. 


Cafeteria Christianity, each group placing on their plate the portion, or portions of Scripture that appeal most to them. “We want this, but we will ignore that.” “We will take one of these, but we will leave the others off our plate.” But we can not pick and choose whatever doctrine suits our appetites, as though it is left up to us to sere ourselves.


We have to allow God to tell us in the Word, the portions of that Word that are specifically written about and directly apply to us. If you read the words “ye men of Israel,” “ye men of Judaea” do not take from the table of that nation and put that instruction on your plate. You are not the nation Israel. You are not under the law, they were. You are under grace!


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Message 2 of 280 (779616)
03-06-2016 1:15 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the People ARE Mixing the Gospels Together! thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Message 3 of 280 (779636)
03-06-2016 4:13 PM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the “many” spoken of? Israel!

But a ransom for all was not testified until Paul proclaimed it, the revelation of the secret, which was kept secret since the world began.

Are you sure you want to say Jesus die on the cross is good enough?


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Message 4 of 280 (779659)
03-06-2016 9:19 PM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Paul’s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, there is difference in God’s earthly program and God’s heavenly program, what traditions of people must be left behind if we take the doctrine of Paul seriously?
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Message 5 of 280 (779676)
03-06-2016 11:20 PM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Did Paul actually write any of the Gospels?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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Message 6 of 280 (779677)
03-06-2016 11:41 PM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Today, for the most part, we are also an unbelieving people. Instead of trusting in God’s word and resting in the glories of his grace that we’re shown through the word, we are even now continually looking for signs, continually looking for visual evidences of God’s presence and his approval in the day-to-day circumstance of our lives. 


The body of Christ is not the sign nation, and we have not become the assumers and fulfillers of God’s program with that sign-nation. Many think we have, that program has been placed on hold while God completes his plan and purpose for the saints of this dispensation.


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Message 7 of 280 (779692)
03-07-2016 6:12 AM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Bob Bobber writes:

Today, for the most part, we are also an unbelieving people....

Actually, it seems as if around 50% of the Christian believing people are Catholic. Then Christians comprise of around 33% percent of the world population. Around 25% are Muslims, etc. So, it seems as if, for the most part, people are believing.

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Message 8 of 280 (779694)
03-07-2016 7:12 AM
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03-06-2016 9:19 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
quote:
Paul’s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, there is difference in God’s earthly program and God’s heavenly program, what traditions of people must be left behind if we take the doctrine of Paul seriously?

Paul's teaching was true to the teaching of Jesus and the apostles. And he, as others with him, pioneered into the experiences that Jesus taught. Paul was faithful to Christ, absolutely faithful.

Peter, no doubt a leader among the twelve, recommended Paul. Yet he also warned that there were things in Paul's letters which were hard to understand. Peter did not say these "hard" things were off the mark or not true. He simply said they were hard. (2 Peter 3:15,16).

But Peter said Paul wrote them according to the wisdom that God has given him. And Peter also warned that the unstable would twist Paul's words as they also do with other scriptures.

Seeing that Paul, a younger man, publicly scolded the senior apostle (Gal. 2:11-14), this shows Peter's humility. And it should cause Christians to take Paul seriously as having been recommended by Peter. God did use Paul to author some 13 or so of the 27 New Testament books.

The Apostle Paul didn't mess up the Gospels and that Christians would not be better off without the ministry of Paul.

Now here I would like you to say a brief word on this word of Jesus:

Therefore I say to you that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and shall be given to a nation producing its fruit. (Matt. 21:43)

Comment on Jesus saying that the kingdom of God would be taken from Israel and given to "a nation" producing its fruits.

Don't we have here a word from Jesus saying that what Israel had would be (at least for some time) taken away from her and given to another entity producing the values God sought to secure through Israel ?

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Bob Bobber
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Message 9 of 280 (779700)
03-07-2016 9:13 AM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum Pressie
But many of them, as their faith gives way to feeling, people begin to base their faith on feeling. They want a God they can move to, and they want teachers who can make them feel good in the process. They find themselves on an endless quest for emotional satisfaction, because they relate their closeness to God upon feeling.
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Message 10 of 280 (779704)
03-07-2016 9:37 AM
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum jaywill
The only component of Paul’s good news Satan needs to focus on today to keep people in a lost condition, is the reality of reconciliation, he does not need to go any further than that.

But the 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus ‘the messiah’. The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus ‘the messiah’ being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom.

Salvation in the Hebrew Bible does not refer to an individual's deliverance from a sinful nature. This is not a concept that is found in the Hebrew Bible. Salvation refers instead, to the concrete, collective, communal salvation from national suffering and oppression, particularly in the form of foreign rule of enslavement.

You see, if Israel could have their sins remitted nationally, then Israel could indeed become that holy nation and kingdom of priests. And if Israel could become that holy nation and kingdom of priests, then the Gentiles would be able to come to Yahweh through Israel’s rise.

Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom. But Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.


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Message 11 of 280 (779709)
03-07-2016 10:14 AM
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A better subtitle, please
Just a simple request here.

Can you use a subtitle other than "Thread Copied ..."?

Thanks.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 12 of 280 (779714)
03-07-2016 11:11 AM
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03-07-2016 10:14 AM


Reconciliation
Most people think salvation is the end result, salvation is the starting point. The issue of salvation is understanding the reconciliation where our sin is concerned, do we understand that God is reconciled where all sin is concerned for all time.
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Message 13 of 280 (779715)
03-07-2016 11:14 AM
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Re: Reconciliation
Why should anyone care whether or not God is reconciled with sin for all time?

That just seems like a really evil God.

Sin is no skin of God's nose.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 14 of 280 (779716)
03-07-2016 11:24 AM
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Re: Reconciliation
Does God really hate man because of the actions of men? The fact is that God loves man so much that the magnitude of his love is almost incomprehensible to imagine. In the past, God stood far off from the sinner, but God’s love is so paramount that he says he loves humans who are actively his enemies.
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Message 15 of 280 (779717)
03-07-2016 11:34 AM
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Re: Reconciliation
Bob Bobber writes:

The fact is that God loves man so much that the magnitude of his love is almost incomprehensible to imagine.


Killing off almost the entire human race with a Flood is a bit too much magnitude for me. I wish he'd love us less and let us live.
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