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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Phat writes: This election gives me an uneasy feeling like no other. The Art of the Steal - Colorado election was cancelled- all the delegates went to Goldman Sachs funded Cruz (the Canadian). Wow there really is no democracy! Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
Blue Jay writes: I do wish people would be more rational/logical with their decision-making processes, but it seems that society has always been hell-bent on stupidity, and democracy, for all its virtues, seems to only exacerbate that. Please tell me what decision I should make and which way I should vote. After all I wouldn't want to upset you. Anyway, I'm hell-bent on stupidity and I was never really worthy of democracy. It would only encourage me.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: That expression comes in November when "We The People" select what persons, what parties, what philosophies we want to represent us in government Ahhh so in November people can still vote for Trump even if he is not selected by the Republican Party? What - NO? I didn't think so. Wait a minute can he stand as an independent?
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: In this instance, a third party run by The Donald is a highly likely scenario if he fails to bluster and intimidate his way into the Republican nomination. Ahh yes this is the strategy of the holding position. Give them hope but not too much. Tell them what they want to hear. Tell them that they DO have democracy - just not today. Their chance will come tomorrow and as we all know; tomorrow never comes. By the time November has arrived - they will have thought up a new scam to ensure that the people never get what they want. Great strategy which has been working a treat I must say.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: Ah, Al. Have you ever voted? I live in the UK. We have a completely different system to yours. Perhaps you think that I shouldn't stick my nose into American affairs?
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: In the US there are 7 states where you cannot run as a write in candidate and in 35 other states a write in candidate must file papers to be eligible Well this is the first American election that I have ever shown any interest in. And this is the first time that I have ever learnt about your voting system. I must confess I am utterly shocked and dumbfounded. In the UK, although I can't say for certain, our system is pretty much rigged. From what I have learnt - your system is too. I just consider your 2-party system to be like our 2-party system and I never consider other possibilities because the probability of another outcome is so remote. It seems odd that you have different laws in different states when it comes to voting for your president. It's like a recipe for manipulation, fraud and dishonesty.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: It's a concept called democracy Al, where local folk get to decide locally how they want to proceed. So let me get this right; the local people of Colorado decided for themselves, that they are too dumb to vote. They thought that they should just hand their votes over to people with higher IQs (after all they are just cattle). The higher IQ delegates therefore make the decisions for their cattle, as you would expect with any good farmer. Remarkable system. And bravo to the citizens of Colorado who recognized their shortcomings. You see I am fully aware of a rigged system when I see one - having been brought up in one all my life. I naturally understand all the nuances and deceptive tricks that they play. Ohh and this bears no resemblance to selecting a party leader like in the UK. Here, the Conservatives select the Labour party leader by quickly joining the party, choosing a leader, and then terminating their memberships.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: This process was set up last year in August when the Colorado Republican Executive Committee voted to cancel the traditional Presidential preference Poll Ahhh so an executive committee made a decision without the consultation of the Republican party members. That would explain the Youtube videos of Republicans in Colorado burning their membership papers.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: They is who? It's funny that you claim not to understand who "they" are ... and yet you give some examples later on;
mega-corporate interests, the obscene wealth of the moneyed elite, and the list goes on AZPaul3 writes: What you do not recognize is there are thousands of disparate groups all clawing and biting to get whatever advantage they can without care for what others get left behind. What you fail to realize is that while there are thousands of groups vying for whatever advantage, any advantage they gain is likely to be short term - we all die in the end. And while you might have the edge now - what about your children? I think what you are suggesting is that the elite have won, and the rest of us should just be grateful and ultimately roll over and die.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: The problem I see is that the Trump campaign has relied on TV ads, news publicity and large rallies to fuel his campaign. He does not have a grass roots organization to run petitions and do the door-to-door and the small local living-room parties on the ground (as pointedly emphasized by the Colorado fiasco where he practically ignored the state). Ok Ted Cruz has just won all 14 delegates for Wyoming. Again a voter-less victory. Trump calls the system rigged. Almost all the alternative media calls it rigged (mostly American citizens). Even Texas fell to Cruz. And you blame this on lack of door to door campaigning. The only people who think this is normal is the mainstream media (which is dying btw). Therefore you fall into the mainstream camp. I guess that's where the money is so I'm guessing you are getting paid to say it.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
NoNukes writes: What kind of claim is that? Is that some kind of popular appeal to unpopular media? Why would anyone find that persuasive? I am not sure what your view of alternative media is - but from what you have said I presume it's negative. My view of the mainstream media or MSM is the same as your view of the alternative media. Question is which one is right. I have studied both and the level and depth of research between the two camps does not compare. Alternative media sources are generally far more researched. And what makes you think alternative media is unpopular? It's the MSM that is dying a death. But it is nice to know that I can always visit the EvC forum to find some old dinosaur fossils - in more ways than one.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
jar writes: What is alternative media? Can you provide some examples? Remember this is the coffee house. Therefore this should be casual conversation. Many times on the Biological Evolution forum I have been asked to prove that 1=1 or to at least provide a source. I am therefore not about to go down that route here. Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
ringo writes: Give us a clue. Ok you get a clue. Google.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
No Nukes writes: I largely agree with you about how Trump is being treated, and I can find my justification for doing so among the news received from conventional sources. I don't really care about the opinions of those sources, nor do I need to cite their editorial comments on such matters. Well if we largely agree, regardless of our differing sources, you don't really need to know my sources. As for individuals here being paid stooges - umm this website must cost money, development costs money, maintaining it costs money and then having a several individuals repeating the same mantra costs money.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 826 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
NoNukes writes: My question is why an appeal to unnamed "alternative media" that is at best "mostly american" is a persuasive argument. Well for simplicity's sake, we can consider the two main forms of media; namely mainstream and alternative. If you don't like alternative then that only leaves mainstream. Are you telling me you trust MSNBC, FOX, BBC, CNN etc? Because I certainly don't.
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