Yes, The Real The New Awesome Primary Thread

That could get really interesting. The House would choose a President from the three highest vote counts, almost certainly the Republican candidate. In the Senate the choice for Vice-President would be between the two highest electoral counts. If Trump happened to have one of the two highest counts and the Democratic candidate the other highest count the Senate would be forced to choose either the Trump running mate as Vice President or the Democratic candidate's running mate.

Oh, good. Another nightmare scenario to sweat blood over. And a realistic one. Thanks NoNukes. I hope you have a wonderful rest of the fucken day.

Keep in mind that in the House the election is done by State. Each state has only one vote. A large republican state with a large number of electors can be nullified by a small Democratic state with far fewer electors. A majority of the states chooses the president, not a majority of the members of the whole House.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Correct but the choices would still be from the three top vote getters in the House and from the two top vote getters in the Senate.

Right.Now, if the senate swings over to the democrats we could end up with a republican as President and a democrat as Vice-president.

Interesting fact, polls show that either of the Democrats would beat Trump in Utah. I guess Mormons still take Christianity seriously, unlike the lumpen mass of white evangelicals who regard Jesus merely as a sort of mascot for the Republican Party.

Republican leaders and their big-league operatives across the nation met to plan an all-out fight to defeat Trump preparing a 100-day battle plan to keep Trump from the party's nomination. The New York Times is reporting the various groups plan on coordinating efforts "starting with an aggressive battle in Wisconsin’s April 5 primary and extending into the summer, with a delegate-by-delegate lobbying effort that would cast Mr. Trump as a calamitous choice for the general election." NYT is calling this "the political equivalent of guerrilla fighting."Problem: The group can not agree on who to support. Cruz is an obvious choice but the leadership, especially from the senate side despise the man and can not, will not, work with him. Kasich does not have the conservative and party credentials the group is looking for and is seen as a light-weight in the general election. Talks continue.If this effort fails to deny Trump the nomination there is talk of a national concerted effort to launch an independent run for some main-stream traditional conservative Republican candidate (Rick Perry, Michael Bloomberg ?) as well as maybe hijacking a third party (Libertarians do not select their candidate until late May) to get a traditional Republican on the ballot nationally.This is the sound of the Republican Party fracturing. That big gaping hole that so many feared would develop in the party has now split wide open and that split is not just in the leadership but cuts right through the grass-roots heart of the party. How many of the big Republican elite will remain with the GOP while the rest of traditional republicanism strikes out for some third party bid remains to be seen but what used to be the Republican party will not recover from this for many years to come. Edited by AZPaul3, : spln

Say hello to Republican Jesus:

Though those who feared it didn't fear that it would happen like this. You know, any traditional analysis of the Republicans would have investigated the uneasy alliance between the neocons, the libertarians, the evangelicals, the moderates, and the billionaires who decide what the actual legislative program of the party will be; and would have noted in passing that a lot of Republican voters are morons. What Trump has done is to turn the morons into a new faction of their own.

I suppose this is always the danger in a democracy - that people who find rational, intelligent thought challenging, start to club together and believe that rational, intelligent thought isn't needed to govern a democracy.I blame the Internet - it's empowered idiots.

You could also blame the Supreme Court, who declared that money is speech.--Percy

Its, like, the best speech.I'm reminded of when a small group of us went above and beyond and did a lot of extra work (without extra pay) to help out the company we were working for.The managers brought us all in and were thanking us and telling us how much they appreciated it and were all: "we just don't know how we can thank you enough"I straight up said that if they would just give us some extra money then that would show way more appreciation then any number of words they could come up with.Nothing shows appreciation like monetary compensation.

Are Trump supporters morons or just frustrated beyond patience?What has the Republican party accomplished?Promises - cut taxes and economic growth will cover the debt.
Reality - Middle class is getting nowhere, debt is rising, and the same promises are being made.Promise - We'll make Obama a one term president.
Reality - Obama is reelectedPromise - vote for us to eliminate Obamacare and lower health care costs.
Reality - Obamacare still here after 6 yrs, Republicans have no real plan, health care costs are still rising
House had over 40 votes to cancel/defund/whatever Obamacare. After the first one can't get past Senate or President, what did they think the next 40 would do?Promise - the free market will solve everything.
Reality - jobs moved overseas for lower wages and profits moved overseas to avoid taxes. Those with investments profit. Pharmaceutical companies game the patent system to avoid going generic and jack up costs of existing drugs.Promise - Now the Republicans control the House and the Senate. We'll get things done.
Reality - Least productive Congress in decades, maybe ever. GOP runs House but some consider Boehner the problem. Get rid of Boehner & put in Ryan and the GOP is still fighting over the budget.Isn't insanity doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result? So if the GOP is not working in the eyes of the Republican voter, why vote for the ones currently involved in the mess?If Republicans want to change things, they can't just sit it out. They won't vote for Hillary/Sanders/any Democrat for a number of reasons. So they vote for a radical change in the hopes that it won't be any worse.I think the Trump supporters are hoping like Ben Carson is. The big question is which Trump shows up in the White House when the Congress doesn't do his bidding, a terrorist strikes the US, or he gets a big protest rally.

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Are Trump supporters morons or just frustrated beyond patience?

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I think the former. But that's just me.

I think the real issue goes beyond just Trump. Yes, there are morons out there. But there is also a pervasive anger that permeates on both sides of the aisle.The main issue is on the Republican side, they decided to fuel the fires of this anger as a means to energize their base and get votes. Unfortunately, they grossly underestimated how much their rhetoric was having a negative effect. This came up in their so-called 'autopsy' after the 2012 election. Yet despite that, many on the right continued to fuel those fires of anger. This caused a fracture in the Republican party, whereby the more moderate voices were voted out of office and now, the inmates are running the asylum. This fracture was most evident with the nutjob wing of the Tea Party basically paralyzing the government with their head gopher Ted Cruz using filibusters to shut everything down. Boehner was ultimately unable to galvanize things towards the center. And was eventually tossed out.I know I am focusing on the Republicans, but there is anger on the left as well which is evidenced by the surge in popularity for Bernie Sanders. Most of this popularity is coming from the younger crowd, mainly the Millennials. Many of them are still feeling the sting of the aftermath of the Great Recession and are stepping into an economy with massive headwinds against them. Naturally, they are not too happy with this outcome.One thing I firmly believe (in regards to the Democrats this time) is that I think their inability or apathy towards not pursuing more indictments against the Wall Street crowd was a massive tactical error. Elizabeth Warren was the voice pushing for this, but Democrats decided to help their donor class and let the matter fade away. And that has not only fueled anger in their base, but also set a horrible precedent. i.e. Hey Wall Street: we will privatize your gains and socialize your losses. No worries!Needless to say, this is something that Hillary herself is not absolved of responsibility since she coddles many of the Wall Street donor crowd including Goldman Sux.But perhaps some traction can be made post November. Especially if the Supreme Court can swing a little more left. That will allow us to over-turn that idiotic Citizens United ruling. Time till tell.